PULL Rules

[tinylittlemind]

Point 1 & 2 make the least sense. You're allowed to be part of the community if you're over 18, yet it's okay for said over 18s to talk about those who are 16+. If the site law is going to be for a mature audience, the minimum age for a snowflake/personalities should be 18 as well. Fair game.

It doesn't necessarily follow that logic - I get what you're saying (and I'm not really one way or another) but having an age limit means certain things can be discussed without having the potential legal/courtesy/appropriateness headaches of having minors on the board.

For example, if you think about little snowflake Yumi King (overage). Her videos have lead to legitimate speculation that she may be involved in the dd/lg fetish scene. This thread would be inappropriate for some minors IMO - but you can't just turn on/off threads at will from minors.

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It doesn't necessarily follow that logic - I get what you're saying (and I'm not really one way or another) but having an age limit means certain things can be discussed without having the potential legal/courtesy/appropriateness headaches of having minors on the board.

For example, if you think about little snowflake Yumi King (overage). Her videos have lead to legitimate speculation that she may be involved in the dd/lg fetish scene. This thread would be inappropriate for some minors IMO - but you can't just turn on/off threads at will from minors.

I get that. What I'm talking about is making everything 18+ if you're going to make the forum accessible for only 18+ users. I have absolutely nothing against that new rule, but it doesn't make it fair in terms of older users being able to talk about younger flakes specifically. If you're going up to the bell, you might as well ring it.

It's not to do with what minors see here, than it is what non-minors can discuss about actual minor personalities.

[House]

Personally, I see no issue with the 16-17 age bracket being allowed access to the forum. It's not like they don't know about different fetishes and things like that since the internet is rather easily accessible. I myself started watching pornographic material when I was 10 in secret (a friend of mine linked me) and it just shows how easy it is to access it. If somebody looks for it, they're going to find it. I don't see much of a legal issue either, and very little material here is of pornographic nature anyhow.

Again, it also makes people lying about their age more likely to get around the rules so technically I guess it would have no effect on new users that are aware of the rule and decide to lie. A rule is still a rule I guess and as users we should respect it, but not everybody will.

I recall how, when I was 11, I made my first IMVU account. It allowed people from 13 years of age onwards, but I thought you had to be an adult so I just made the character be 20 years old at the time. I kept on lying about my age for as long as I was a member of the site/chat client, mind you, which was a hell long of a time. Some people still believe I'm in my late 20s or something. I probably should tell these people the truth, but I never come online anymore so I suppose there's little point at this stage.

Lying on the internet is easy. As we can see with some of our snowflakes, or people who catfish.

[tinylittlemind]

It's a bit of a funny one. It can be a legal issue because it's not a very high threshold (that you know someone is underage) and depends on jurisdiction. So lying is not the issue, it's what the people actually know and what reasonable steps they've taken to prevent it. But I agree, it's not like we're some porno board.

There's also a maturity issue. Not (TBH) that I've ever noticed an issue on PULL and thought "this person is underage" due to their behavior. But I have been on forums before where the maturity gap is very noticeable and teenagers are causing all kinds of useless drama.

Again, just playing devils advocate - and obviously, as we know from many of our SnowFlakes, age is no indicator of maturity...

It's not to do with what minors see here, than it is what non-minors can discuss about actual minor personalities.

Yep, got that, and do agree with you in terms that is does seem to be a little inequitable in that it appears to be an acknowledgement that at 16+ you have some form of agency which justifies being dissected by the board, yet not enough to participate in that dissection. Also it means if you were a being discussed and you were under 18, you wouldn't be allowed to come on the board and defend yourself.

But my point was the two don't necessarily have to be connected. The explanations underpinning not being allowed to discuss minors under 15 and not admitting minors generally don't have to be related (although of course, that doesn't discount that they could be).

Xx - L

[Mega Milk]

Shouldn't it be the other way? Minimum age for users 16 and minimum age for "snowflakes" 18? This forum is getting so trashy tbh..

[Shinobu]

Shouldn't it be the other way? Minimum age for users 16 and minimum age for "snowflakes" 18? This forum is getting so trashy tbh..

Personally I think that makes more sense, because a lot of teenagers do cringy shit( like being a koreaboo/weeaboo/shooping into oblivion). Also, one or two of the older members on the forum have admitted to being in the teens range, and have contributed a fair amount. I think that someone should only get banned on age or maturity if they're sitting on here trolling or acting trashy or self posting, but that's me. A lot of pornographic content gets censored/not posted anyways just to stay tasteful and this isn't like kiwifarms where everyone is kind of dickish, so I don't see the 18+ rule being needed. I'm rambling, but yeah.

Edited 8 Jan 2017 by Shinobu

[Mega Milk]

Personally I think that makes more sense, because a lot of teenagers do cringy shit( like being a koreaboo/weeaboo/shooping into oblivion). Also, one or two of the older members on the forum have admitted to being in the teens range, and have contributed a fair amount. I think that someone should only get banned on age or maturity if they're sitting on here trolling or acting trashy or self posting, but that's me. A lot of pornographic content gets censored/not posted anyways just to stay tasteful and this isn't like kiwifarms where everyone is kind of dickish, so I don't see the 18+ rule being needed. I'm rambling, but yeah.

Yeah ofc a lot of teenagers do cringy stuff, I believe we all did when we was younger. I just think everyone deserves safety and learn out of their mistakes and experiences till they're 18 or ever 21, if they don't so it can (as example) lead to social anxiety, paranoia, depression and/or selfhate.. at this age its very common. If they do something illegal like scamming online then its the job of the police/lawyer and not ours to discuss. And I honestly don't mind much at which age someone is allowed to be member because even a 25yo can be a troll.. and lots of teenagers are lying to be older for access.

[Biscuit]

@imaromantic You seem to not really understand the purpose of the site if you're here going on about "everyone makes mistakes" and "it's not ours to discuss". PULL has always been a gossiping/sleuthing site. No different than anything else (except we try our best to stay fact based). If you don't like that then maybe this site isn't for you. No one is keeping you here and we aren't going to change our ways because a couple of people don't like it when the majority do appreciate it.

Furthermore, kiwi and other places have the same age restriction rule and no one complained about it there so it is interesting to us that anyone has complained about it here. Whether you think it's logical or not, @Nyx has spoken and the rule is here to say and is not open for debate. So either get used to it or go elsewhere. As mods we are here to uphold her rules so deal with it. We also have the rule of not coming here to just tell us how much we suck and your comments are starting to border on that so unless you're asking for a warning/ban I suggest you knock it off.

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@Nyx has spoken and the rule is here to say and is not open for debate. So either get used to it or go elsewhere.

That reflects a really bad light on any admin of any site. As an admin, you do have to at least listen to feedback, and then decide whether or not you'll consider or reject. The whole "my site, my rules" just makes someone look condescending, even if that is not the message that's he or she is trying to bring across.

It's unhealthy to treat members like they have no value when it comes to making certain rules. As mentioned, I have no issue with the rules, aside from the two that are pretty conflicting in my opinion.

Each to their own.

[Biscuit]

That reflects a really bad light on any admin of any site. As an admin, you do have to at least listen to feedback, and then decide whether or not you'll consider or reject. The whole "my site, my rules" just makes someone look condescending, even if that is not the message that's he or she is trying to bring across.

It's unhealthy to treat members like they have no value when it comes to making certain rules. As mentioned, I have no issue with the rules, aside from the two that are pretty conflicting in my opinion.

Each to their own.

A.) This is not a democracy. Never has been, never will be. Deal with it.

B.) We do take feedback. Hell a lot of changes we made were based on popular feedback. But guess what? Just because you give feedback doesn't me we have to accept every single one.

C.) We heard your feedback regarding that rule, we already considered and we rejected it already, you same people still complained (and PS, you're in the minority). So we are well with in our right to say what we've said.

D.) And finally I hate to break it to you but yes it is "our site, our rules" and once we've said no we are not changing a rule, you can either accept and follow them or leave.

You clearly weren't even around much prior to the admin change if this is the diatribe you're choosing to spew.

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A.) This is not a democracy. Never has been, never will be. Deal with it.

B.) We do take feedback. Hell a lot of changes we made were based on popular feedback. But guess what? Just because you give feedback doesn't me we have to accept every single one.

C.) We heard your feedback regarding that rule, we already considered and we rejected it already, you same people still complained (and PS, you're in the minority). So we are well with in our right to say what we've said.

D.) And finally I hate to break it to you but yes it is "our site, our rules" and once we've said no we are not changing a rule, you can either accept and follow them or leave.

You clearly weren't even around much prior to the admin change if this is the diatribe you're choosing to spew.

Oh, you sure told me!

I've been around since PULL 1.0 on wards. I've been part of this site and it's previous sites since it first showed up on the radar. That aside, you really missed the point of my entire post and turned it into something it's not.

This whole "OMG JUST LEAVE IF U DONT LIKE" attitude is beyond immature and completely unnecessary. Which makes it ironic that there's a rule in place regarding the maturity level of PULL.

[Biscuit]

Oh, you sure told me!

I've been around since PULL 1.0 on wards. I've been part of this site and it's previous sites since it first showed up on the radar. That aside, you really missed the point of my entire post and turned it into something it's not.

This whole "OMG JUST LEAVE IF U DONT LIKE" attitude is beyond immature and completely unnecessary. Which makes it ironic that there's a rule in place regarding the maturity level of PULL.

Uh.... it's immature to state a fact? I didn't say "lololol omg don't like it dont look" or anything of the sort. It is a fact that if you don't like the rules of an establishment then you don't have be a part of it. Not everyone that points that out is using it as "an immature argument". If you really believe that's immature then you really don't know what "immature" is and sounds a lot like you're just projecting your frutsation onto me. In which case *that* is immature. Ironic.

P.S., I find it interesting that you say you've been here since 1.0 yet you only joined in 2015 and the site is far older than that. Even if you were a lurker for some time prior to joining, being a lurker and being a participant are two very different experiences.

Edited 10 Jan 2017 by Biscuit

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Uh.... it's immature to state a fact? I didn't say "lololol omg don't like it dont look" or anything of the sort. It is a fact that if you don't like the rules of an establishment then you don't have be a part of it. Not everyone that points that out is using it as "an immature argument". If you really believe that's immature then you really don't know what "immature" is.

It's immature if the person saying it comes off as pompous.

P.S., I find it interesting that you say you've been here since 1.0 yet you only joined in 2015 and the site is far older than that. Even if you were a lurker for some time prior to joining, being a lurker and being a participant are two very different experiences.

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This is the new PULL. Where were you when the previous ones were taken down? Most of us had to re-register when the previous admins moved from .com to .net?

Edit: let's not forget the .org one.

Edited 10 Jan 2017 by 20

[Biscuit]

It's immature if the person saying it comes off as pompous.

Sorry but no.

Definition of immature
1
archaic : premature
2
a : lacking complete growth, differentiation, or development <immature fruits> <a sexually immature bird>
b : having the potential capacity to attain a definitive form or state : crude, unfinished <a vigorous but immature school of art>
c : exhibiting less than an expected degree of maturity <emotionally immature adults>

Definition of pompous
1
: excessively elevated or ornate <pompous rhetoric>
2
: having or exhibiting self-importance : arrogant <a pompous politician>
3
: relating to or suggestive of pomp or splendor : magnificent

Immature and pompous do not go hand in hand and are not synonyms of each other. The fact that you correlate the two is a matter of opinion, not of fact. Feel free to check a thesaurus if you don't believe me.

Furthermore, I never claimed to be a part of 1.0/OG. So there's that. I forgot about the re-registration however so that's on me (contrary to popular belief, I am not above owning up to when I have made a mistake). That being said, I've known/spoken with several members from 1.0 who certainly don't act one bit like you and several who don't have such issues as you. So if you're attempting to speak on behalf of all 1.0 members I'd think again.

And finally, regardless of any old admins, this is the new law, this is the new site. Not everyone is going to like it, but a lot of people do. We're going to do what we believe is best for the site. Fact of the matter is if you're married to how the way things used to be then it's probably time for you to find a new avenue if you're unwilling to accommodate to the change. Sorry to see you go if that's what you decide but we get plenty of sign ups everyday and there's always going to be someone to fill your place.

The admins are friendly but my title is "resident bad bitch" for a reason. Everyone needs bad cop ;). (But I'm perfectly friendly when unprovoked) But I digress...

Unless Nyx changes her mind, the rule is staying and debating it further isn't going to get you anywhere. As I have the authority I am stating now that this is becoming derailing (yes, yes, I'm aware I've contributed and thus I'm stopping it).

We have spoken and the rule is staying. No more derailment. Any more complaints about the age rule should be directed to Nyx privately, but not in this thread. Further complaints regarding such will be hidden. If you persist, warnings will begin to be handed out.

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Sorry but no.

Definition of immature
1
archaic : premature
2
a : lacking complete growth, differentiation, or development <immature fruits> <a sexually immature bird>
b : having the potential capacity to attain a definitive form or state : crude, unfinished <a vigorous but immature school of art>
c : exhibiting less than an expected degree of maturity <emotionally immature adults>

Definition of pompous
1
: excessively elevated or ornate <pompous rhetoric>
2
: having or exhibiting self-importance : arrogant <a pompous politician>
3
: relating to or suggestive of pomp or splendor : magnificent

Immature and pompous do not go hand in hand and are not synonyms of each other. The fact that you correlate the two is a matter of opinion, not of fact. Feel free to check a thesaurus if you don't believe me.

Furthermore, I never claimed to be a part of 1.0/OG. So there's that. I forgot about the re-registration however so that's on me (contrary to popular belief, I am not above owning up to when I have made a mistake). That being said, I've known/spoken with several members from 1.0 who certainly don't act one bit like you and several who don't have such issues as you. So if you're attempting to speak on behalf of all 1.0 members I'd think again.

And finally, regardless of any old admins, this is the new law, this is the new site. Not everyone is going to like it, but a lot of people do. We're going to do what we believe is best for the site. Fact of the matter is if you're married to how the way things used to be then it's probably time for you to find a new avenue if you're unwilling to accommodate to the change. Sorry to see you go if that's what you decide but we get plenty of sign ups everyday and there's always going to be someone to fill your place.

The admins are friendly but my title is "resident bad bitch" for a reason. Everyone needs bad cop ;). (But I'm perfectly friendly when unprovoked) But I digress...

Unless Nyx changes her mind, the rule is staying and debating it further isn't going to get you anywhere. As I have the authority I am stating now that this is becoming derailing (yes, yes, I'm aware I've contributed and thus I'm stopping it). We have spoken and the rule is staying. No more derailment. Any more complaints about the age rule should be directed to Nyx privately, but not in this thread. Further complaints regarding such will be hidden. If you persist, warnings will begin to be handed out.

It's really not that serious. I'll continue lurking in the off-topic section.