This thread has been going OT for the last pages. Please keep your conversations on topic about Venus' videos. If you wish to discuss other things, find the right thread for it (Venus' makeup is allowed if you're talking about it in relation to her videos). Any OT post after this one will be warned.
The subject of this topic is under the age of 16, and as serious as their actions are, there should NOT be any attempt to contact a personality's family/ friends/ colleagues etc. I am locking this topic for these reasons.
Did anyone watch this one? Holy fuck as much as Joey is articulate and (if what he quoted the journalist to say as being true) the critiques he makes towards the documentary are something that I do agree with, he's basically defending an entire industry that sells on the sexualisation of young girls (and boys). It's not that they're "ink lines on paper", it's that they portray acts of sex and violence against people who are indisputably, undeniably impressionable and vulnerable, while also simultaneously having a society that has a massive problem with sexualising underaged children. Yes, it's not the only problem, but to dismiss is as not part of the problem at all is dangerously naive. It's 100% true that you can't make a direct correlation between child abuse portrayed in manga/ anime with real life actions because that's a false correlation between fantasy and reality, much like how violent video games do not inherently encourage violence in real life. HOWEVER, what he doesn't say is that the existence and ultimately the normalisation of pedophilia and lolicon/ shotacon in manga and anime culture is inherently damaging and desensitizing a disgusting act. It doesn't directly encourage people to participate in these activities, but when it's disseminated without the education/ safeguards in place to make people critically aware that what is portrayed in fiction is unacceptable, the result is that it desensitizes people to these crimes. As much Joey says that pedophilia tendencies are being suppressed or given an outlet by the existence of this genre, what he doesn't consider is the fact that this genre even exists and is so common is a possible indicator to either a) how normalised sexualising and fetishising young people is in Japanese culture and how fucked up that is or b) how people who sexualise and fetishise young people in Japan are completely ignored, and that their mental illness (because that's what pedophilia is increasingly being seen as, and I really commend the German model where pedophiles are rehabilitated and given support, therapy and counselling) is demonised to the point where they have to buy fictional literature as an outlet, instead of improving the mental health system and creating a community that's understanding and implementing a rehabilitation programme. Also this video was just sickening and I never want to watch anything else by him again. Fuck him, fuck his girlfriend and fuck both of their shotacon/ lolicon bullshit.
Also I wanted to say the problem with clickbait is that it tricks you into watching/ reading something... that's the point. People who say "if you don't like clickbait don't watch it" are missing the fact that you watch because the title is designed to fool you. People who use clickbait never say that they're using clickbaits in their actual titles. Like when Taylor titles a video "Goodbye" or whatever, you think she's leaving Japan and that's why you click. As a fan, you care about what major life events are happening in her life and therefore you watch her videos. When you do watch, you feel deflated/ betrayed because she used your expectations to make you watch her video, rather than being honest and titling her video something like "Goodbye party for a friend". So it's not a viable argument to say "if you don't like clickbait, ignore it", because the problem with clickbait is that it misrepresents the content, and so you believe it to be something relevant when it isn't, meaning you can never discern the true content before experiencing it, ergo you don't know if it's actually clickbait until you've wasted your time watching her video.
No you didn't do anything wrong; it's just that mods can see IP addresses so I am 100% sure it's the same person behind the accounts and not someone asking their friends to come online to downvote the same person.
OP has 4 accounts by the same IP address (all now banned): - Tokyopack - alexistrol - mattelipcolor - freshekdom And they all posted on this thread only OP seems to be really desperate to support these two. I mean I don't really believe it's a self post, because why self post when you have 700k+ followers, but if so then that's just sad.
This is either a self post by someone who we've never heard of or a vendetta post against someone who we've never heard of. Thread locked. EDIT: the OP signed up with 3 different accounts (tokigri, sunny564, GARDENSOUP). The IP address points to somewhere near Toronto, Ontario. This girl's social media accounts all say she lives in Toronto.
Lol at UUUM being so dumb to ask for videos to be taken down; their management doesn't understand that restricting information is even worse than just letting it be, because people will want to see what the restricted information is about. Good on them for getting out of what turned out to be a shitty experience. I hope they either find a better agency or do well on their own.
Re: Joey, I initially agree that he should say something, but... the reality of social interactions isn't black and white. He likely had little to no proof of his own, even if he knew some things that Shine got up to (as Ashley said Shine hid her from Joey and made her lie about her age). He also most likely can't contact the girls, because they come and go without him seeing much of them so there's no opportunity to ask for their contact and sort it out behind Shine and Kat's back. With no proof, Joey will likely burn too many bridges for 'inciting drama', in addition to appearing like he was some kind of conspiracy theorist because the claims can be really wild without proof, as much as what he could say is true. With Kat, I think it's ultimately unclear how much she's a victim and how much she's a perpetrator, so it's possible she 'consents' to Shine's abuse and they pass it off as BDSM if Joey ever encountered it. Re: manga, I mean there are duos who divide writing and drawing when they make a manga (they creators of Death Note and Bakuman). It's just that Shine has shown absolutely no talent for story writing and his art is jack shit so he's basically just a weeb wanting to be a ~mangaka~ without any actual skill or effort to cultivate said skill. It's also an interesting point that Kat likely doesn't speak Japanese, so Shine will basically need to translate everything he wants to write for her to draw the scenes accurately. : /
Joey/ Shine's situation is different in that Joey hinted at 'other reasons' in their moving out video (i.e. Shine being a disgusting pedo abuser). Joey likely knew something was up, just not what (I mean how do you say to your friend 'hey are you abusing your live in bitch or am I imagining things?'). Joey/ Noble's relationship seems to be much quieter. I wonder about Misty as well?
This thread's OP has been updated; it's now a Agnes + Joey thread. Also I'm considering saying 'please don't post Joey's videos that don't feature Aki', but do people want to allow them just for general discussion of Joey's videos?