Manaki

[Biscuit]

As far as Mana goes, I actually feel sorry for the fool. He's an idiot, that got taken for a ride. He was a fat incel, with the social skills of a pubescent 14 year old. He lost a ton of weight to meet his idol. He eventually married her, and willingly took on a boat load of her baggage. Regardless of romance ever being there, her stayed with her even when he was deceived (the surgery). His family took her in. His co-workers made fun of him. He tried the YT life, even though he was bad at it, and wanted privacy. He supported her having extra-marital relationships. He helped her through thick and thin.
And when he wanted to lean on her, lol! NO. Fuck you. You're now mini-Margo! And Imma tell the WORLD!

And yeah, the bro is creepy as fuck. Their history is creepy as fuck. He's in arrested development, just like V. His look has changed throughout the years, and he's clearly still trying find out who he is... even though he's what? Like 30? (Lol, jk.) He's probably pissed that his wifu never turned out to be his wet dream. He's probably sick of her shit, and putting on a public facade. And, who knows. Maybe HE is the one that's about to file for divorce?

I'm not saying he's a saint. I'm saying he's a dummy. But I can't blame him for being an idiot. Obsession will do that to a man. All I can say is, if you're gonna be dumb, you gotta be tough. Hope he's ready for more shit, cuz something tells me V isn't done...

I don't want to laugh... but... that made me laugh.

I just wanted to say that as a 30+ year old, I don't know anyone in their 30's, including myself, who knows who the fuck they are . If anything, 30 seems to be the age where we're all FINALLY starting to figure ourselves out.

But I think I agree with you. He's kind of a pushover and he got taken advantage of. Hopefully he thickens up from all of this. I do have to say that given the Japanese view on mental health and the high suicide rates, I worry since he clearly has low self-esteem and he probably now has PTSD from Venus, that it might send him in a downward spiral. I hope not though. Venus and him did a video where his mother sent her gifts and she talked to her on the phone. His mom sounded SO super sweet so I hope that he at least has a solid family life to lean on. Providing of course that he's not actually some pedo-creep and just an emotionally stunted man who needs to grow up.

[zero]

i personally liked him a bit. i think mostly cultural differences of marriage might seem him look more “closed off” and thus maybe why he just didn’t know how to act with a mentally ill wife.

some are speculating he'll tell his side of the story, and honestly? kinda hoping for that! i hope they both just stay away from each other, too much toxicness.

[Strawberries]

As far as Mana goes, I actually feel sorry for the fool. He's an idiot, that got taken for a ride. He was a fat incel, with the social skills of a pubescent 14 year old. He lost a ton of weight to meet his idol. He eventually married her, and willingly took on a boat load of her baggage.

I agree with you. Do you have any source for him being overweight? It's not that big of a deal, I just wonder how I missed that.

[zero]

I agree with you. Do you have any source for him being overweight? It's not that big of a deal, I just wonder how I missed that.

margo said he lost 50kg before meeting venus. should be taken with a grain of salt, obvs.

it makes all the times he presented himself with typical fat otaku drawings seem eerie now.

[BitchPlox]

I agree with you. Do you have any source for him being overweight? It's not that big of a deal, I just wonder how I missed that.

A couple of things:
First, he had a lot self degrading posts on IG about how he was a "fatty". Wish it was all still up. He'd talk about being a fat kid at heart. How he loved cheeseburgers, how he'd probably gain a ton of weight, and how he wanted to stay slim. Of course, who doesn't feel like that from time to time? I never gave it a second thought, till I saw these claims:

Obviously that's hearsay. Who knows who they are, and if what they say is true. But we do know who Margo is, and her stance: "he lost about 100lbs". (lol, take it if you will...)

I'm basing my conclusion solely on conjecture. But the tiny do pieces seem to fit.

[Vanilla]

margo said he lost 50kg before meeting venus. should be taken with a grain of salt, obvs.

it makes all the times he presented himself with typical fat otaku drawings seem eerie now.

I doubt it. He lives in Japan and they are very health conscious there to the point that you do not qualify for some work places if your weight is too high due to health insurance policies.

[Lolidk]

I think in reality Manaki dropped like 20 kg max (abt 40lbs) and Margo just exaggerated. That being said, I’m feeling bad for him, because so far we haven’t seen the slightest hint of him actually being abusive in either physical or emotional way. (Everything she whined about before, like the illegal surgery and him not wanting to have children with her if she went through with it and the whole” pls dress normally in the countryside bc it’s really awkward having to go out with a white gaijin weeb who doesn’t know the time and place for dressing up” are things everyone here agreed with Manaki on. )

Venus, on the other hand, really isn’t winning me over with her drunken videos bashing her husband whilst contradicting the evidence we have from the past years. The only thing we have on Mana is that he liked her videos when she was 13/14 and then got together with her when she was of legal age. Now it would be creepy if he lost interest in her when she turned 18-20 and started stalking someone underage again, but that doesn’t seem to be the case so idk.

Edited 27 Aug 2019 by Lolidk

[Nansu]

Dang, Manaki deserves so much better...

[Sho]

I understand how it looks for Manaki and his parents, but I can't help to doubt his and his family good intentions. In my opinion, the good image that Manaki has, was constructed in a very big portion by Venus, and if we are going to have very reasonable doubts about the information that she puts out there, i think we should doubt her portrayal of her own husband/ex-husband too.

For me, I can't decide if Manaki's parents really adopted her, i don't think there is enough evidence of it, but they certainly accepted her. I just believe that to accept such a weird relationship, with Venus going to Korea after marrying, to be sooo understanding of the rest of her shortcomings, the parents and Manaki must have thought there was something in for them. Maybe the parents thought their son wouldn't find someone else given his anime liking, or they liked a wife with money for Manaki. I know I'm probably coming off very cynical, but i find it more likely that everyone was trying to play their cards to win the match -including Manaki, his parents and Venus-, rather than Venus being a lone-diabolical mastermind in the whole mess. She is very lost, out of control, not excusing her faults just explaining them, and that kind of people attract others who want to take advantage of them.

Just my thoughts, I'd love see some evidence towards one side of the other but since Manaki erased his public presence we might never know that side of the story.

[mima]

I am late to the party, and it's been years since I posted for the last time, but I had to say something about that.

I don't watch Venus or follow her that much anymore, also, I don't follow Manaki, however, we can't really judge their story based solely on social media, it's seems very complicated.

I don't think his style or his age have something to do with that, and changing style is personal, after all, we're changing our mind all the time, and doing mistakes as well.

Even some calling him a pedo...they are only six years apart, and were both consenting.

I agree with @Biscuit at this age, people are still trying to figure out who they really are, and we're all getting there sooner or later, so, that does not mean your life is gonna stop if you are not everything society wants you to be, quit the opposite, you still continue to fight for what you believe.

I am not defending Venus or Manaki or even Margaret, but I just can't help and feel bad for them all.

Still confused about who's the real victim and who's the villain.

We are all humans after all, and mixed culture marriages can be complicated, not saying they are not right, or not gonna work, but, we need to do much more sacrifices in order to make them work.

Sometimes, families does not understand, sometimes, their habits and cultures are very different, some couples get over that, and see beyond that, others just can't.

If their intentions are only getting what they want from the other, sure, it's not gonna work, their true intention is not clear, even if we already have an idea about Venus's love for Japan, and Manaki's admiration for Venus, still what they think inside is out of our reach.

I am not trying to hurt anybody with this comment, only putting my two cents here, sorry if I was late, and excuse my awkwardness.

Edited 29 Aug 2019 by mima

[Kween of Moderation]

Eeeehh

Just my 1 cent

But I doubt Manaki's parents is after her money, I have this small hunch Manaki told them what Venus's state is at the moment she ran away to him, if that was the case we would see what she spent on Manaki's parents and Venus would bring it up in that deleted video of hers, if Venus seriously inherited her mother's loud mouth, that would happen in my opinion

His family didn't look poor based on that pic with their family dog, they look well off on their own

I remember them sending sweets for her to cheer Venus up in that one video, sad thing is I think Venus and Manaki looked the most happiest there

The part where his parents might have been happy that Manaki found someone is probably true but again, I'm saving it for pure speculations really

Plus, wasn't it Manaki's mom who encouraged him to stay with Venus and help her when she revealed to him that she did those illegal surgery?

[Sho]

Sorry, again a long post. I gues i'd rather try to be clear than save on words.

I think properties in the country side tend to be larger and cheaper in any given country or it could be "old money". I think there is a very different image between big electronics in Japan and in America -it was speculated they had money because of their big sound equipment-: in America they seem expensive, but in Japan it's not always the case. Not only Japan is a country which produces electronics, is a country that imports many cheaper ones, from countries such as China; and the trend on electronics is to make them smaller as possible. If someone catch the brand that would be slightly different, and even if it was expensive they could have won them (many raffles in Japan for many and any reason) or simply saved to get them.

Even people who are well off, wouldn't prefer their kids marry someone with money or at least money stability? I know things have changed a lot for Venus since then, but i doubt a couple of 50 year olds -aprox.- were ignorant of this fact back then.

About the packages they sent to Venus and Manaki, it's just what's expected in japanese society, I do think it means they accepted the relationship but not that they were doing anything out of the ordinary, just the neutral, normal, japanese reaction. For example, a youtuber called Ruthi san - in spanish- always receives packages from her mother in law, though her family is far from her favorite, they get presents from their neighbours because its tradition, even from people they never met. Of course, they are expected to do the same.

At least I really want to take Manaki's parent age and his into the situation, not about their self constructed image but about the fact that with age you get to understand how many things in life work. Specially at 50 something age, i highly doubt the parents didn't think or catch how the situation could be of advantage for themselves or Manaki -its not an evil thing to do, its just an adult thing to do which backfired through the years-. "The devil knows more because he's old than because he's the devil". Its also more logical to think they always see the wellbeing of their son first and Venus second -i want to repeat, I don't think its bad, its just instinct. And how would it look for the husband to not visit his wife at the hospital? Really really bad everywhere, but particularly in Japan where public image is primordial.

In the same line, to think Venus is so evil and ungrateful because we have seen the in-laws giving her presents seems like a huge stretch to me.

Now im entering speculation territory, which has't been proved anywhere, please don't take this as a fact at all. About the adoption thing, Japan is a country were adult adoption occurs more often than child adoption; this can be googled. IF it happened, why would Manaki's parents adopt her instead of helping her settle in the country through education or a job? It makes me think that they wanted to secure Venus's status in Japan and trying to tie her to their family, which would have seem more useful to them when Venus just arrived to Japan, when she had more videos and viewers.

[Kween of Moderation]

This is also just speculations for me so don't get too angry as this is what I believe as a theory

And I'll put it in a spoiler since this is off topic from Manaki now

It's hard to know, I'm willing to believe Venus may have been in some sort of agreement on her income fundings in their marriage but sorta stopped because of her behavior, the return of that makeup tutorial of hers kind of proved my point, sloppy, no research, no progression, that's when i sensed she is desperate for money at the time

Never thought of her as ungrateful or evil tbh, she just let her emotions get the best of her a lot of times, a young woman being caged and abused by her mom for so long will never come out as stable in the mind,

Maybe the adoption thing is easier since Venus never finished high school or any actual school?

And this maybe kind of offensive to many people, but does she look like the type to want an education? the complete re-schooling and such? Even after she was with Manaki, she never really put any desire to go back to school, she showed more interest in making date/food videos, documenting the stuff in Japan and possibly works as a model or fashion designer

Sure she learns languages but let's be honest here, she's not that good in them, she even slurs a bit in Japanese, her english never improved

Plus, she was an adult when she escapes, do you really think someone like her who just got her freedom would want to search for a job or education right away? Is it really the in laws responsibility to search for a job or an education for her when she herself showed no interest in it? I mean do the in laws even worked or know someone in the entertainment industries to help her?

In my sincere belief, it's not wrong for Venus to not want any education but she can work in the entertainment industries if she tries a bit more, her getting a job in that theater play maybe a calling sign for her future

Back to Manaki tho, I doubt he didn't say some offensive things to Venus, but let's be honest here, if you live in the same house for years, you're gonna do something that makes your housemate angry, you learn through that and understand each other more

Until she brings up Manaki issue again, her ammo in the deleted vid was really weak and easily debunked, and as I said before, if she really inherited her mom's loud mouth, she would have said something that is hard to argue against

Sucks to be on Venus side, she doesn't understand how to handle things like adults because one thing Ytube certainly thought her is that an army of loyal fanbase and memer's can destroy a reputation, someone's life and income and there is no doubt that is the thing she wanted to happen (maybe on a grand scale like Jeffree Star style because I still believe Venus's intention are like an angry child, she just wants comfort and praises, but enough to make Manaki angry ) but she forgots her situation and that she's in Japan, not in America

Edited 30 Aug 2019 by Kween of Moderation
Super sorry for the spoiler boxes, havent used PULL in so long, sloppy edit, and had to edit my words a bit again, super sorry

[Nansu]

I kind of would like to see manaki come out with a response. Manaki might be unaware of what Venus is saying? but I wouldn’t let an ex or someone trash talk me or say bad things tbh.

[Sho]

I was thinking from the point of view of what an adult would do in the best interest of younger people, and most adults understand that an education is better, irregardless of what Venus thought about it. Just the same for teachers, tutors, parents, older bosses of any young person "rebelling", most people would tell them to stay in school irregardless of the "rebels" hearing them or not. What I mean is, their lack of care about Venu's education and what it says about the adult surrounding her (not about her at the moment or for the topic of this thread); that it seems they cared more about how the marriage was playing for their son rather than Venus (therefore to think she is ungrateful is unrealistic / not calling out anyone in particular but I've read as if people thought Manaki and his parents were poor victims, I just believe that's unrealistic). If the parents are acting in the best interest of their son and its not exactly bad to do it, its not bad for Venus to realize it wasn't the best relationship and to leave for what she believes its in her own best interest.

I think if Manaki's parents or Manaki had insisted the slightest to Venus to get an education she would have take it, and even mentioned it in her videos, particularly after leaving Margo's side when her "honey moon phase" was at its peak. Anyway its speculation.