Pokimane

[Empress]

what are you talking about?

https://clips.twitch.tv/VenomousClearBisonKreygasm

Sorry what did I say that was incorrect???

[taler]

Recording the police is absolutely necessary in this day and age.

[WereWolfTCB]

The thing is that she cares so much for her friends that she probably didn't even give a fuck if they were ok or not, the first question she probablh would have asked would be if anyone recorded it and if the answer was yes she probably would ask that person to use the footadge for clickbait/clout with how desperate she is for content, and how much she isn't creative... i really wish that she wouldn't have got to a point were thoughts like this would cross mine and probably other peoples heads, but my god i really wouldn't put it past her, even more after this past few weeks, and hell she would even create a clickbait title like "itzagundam swats me" just to see if she could take away the clout she accidentally gave him, i really want to, but i wouldn't be surprised if it happened...

[Xuaqua]

i feel like some of the people on this forum really overestimate how bad of a person she is. obviously shes a cunt in the sense that she leeches, lies and has a huge ego BUT shes clearly not this deranged sociopath / narcissist that some of you think she is.

again, im not saying that just because she isnt a literal psychopath, that makes her a good person. she isnt. but i also dont think shes an inherently terrible person either and tbh i dont even really see her as anything more than an insecure, unlikeable bitch.

alot of her past can just be summed up as attention seeking / queen bee bullshit and shes clearly totally disconnected from the real world so there is no point sitting around expecting her to ever own up to her past actions because it just isnt going to happen. this post will probably get spam downvoted but whatever.

Edited 17 June by Xuaqua

[thefty]

Scarra casually mentions Poki was recording when talking about what the OTV members where doing when he entered the room @ 0:34:22

https://www.twitch.tv/videos/653593509

edit: Just want to add that her...."content brain" is something else...thank god it wasn't more serious since while I was watching we all thought OTV was getting swatted. Even scarra said when he entered the room he was like "damn I'm getting swatted this sucks" lol.

Pretty sure she was recording in the living room for her big announcements tomorrow not quite sure how you got that she was filming the police for content from.

If her announcements are sponsors the two youtube guys said they would go after her sponsors like she did theres so it will be interesting to see what happens.

Edited 18 June by thefty

[WereWolfTCB]

What i said wasn't meant to sound like was calling a sociopath, i said what i said because there as been other times when people in the house where in a bad state, or wheren't happy or something like thata nd everyone except her or people who weren't in the house (she admittedly was) where there for that person on and off stream to support that person, right now i don't really have clips or remember exact stories, but there as been times where things like that happen and she doesn't help or ask if that person is okay cause it doesn't help her reputaion in any way, and in relation to her probably filming the cop for clickbait, the reason i say that is because she in her terms is a "content creator" and in my eyes she seems desperate enough and so out of content that she would be willing to actually do that, it's not completly in relation to her personality more in relation to her job...

P.S.: like i have said before, even though i say this things about her, i don't hate her, i only hate what she does/how she reacts to stuff nowadays, because she is actually one of the really few reasons why i'm still alive and i owe her a lot for it, the things i say here is me criticising the stuff she does and things that if i actually ended up anytime having a talk with her i would say in her face because no one she knows as the balls to do it, it's not hate, just criticism

[Xuaqua]

@WereWolfTCB i understand what you mean to some extent, and i also wanna make it clear that my last post was not directly targeted at you. a good amount of people (if not the majority) on this website dont differentiate between a stuck-up bitch and a narcissist, which are two entirely different things.

this doesnt bother me because *OMG DONT INSULT POKI SHES INNOCENT!* but moreso because a newcomer to this website will read "pokimane is a sociopathic narcissist" and leave with a completely tainted opinion on her. i dont want her to be seen as wholesome but i also dont want her to be seen as fucking evil, as she is neither. shes just a basic clout chasing egirl that got the clout she desired and now has to deal with the consequences of leeching and toying with people to further her career.

i personally try to avoid being the type of person on this forum to target her looks specifically, because although i condemn the level of filtering / editing in the past, shes clearly stepped down a level from 2018/19 and nobody gains anything from attacking the shape of her nose for the sake of it. targeting the insecurites of someone with already low self esteem will only make their ego worse, so whats the point?

lastly, although its obvious she hides her private life from her fanbase, there isnt really enough evidence (if any at all) to suggest she does it purely to maximize monetary gain. people have to remember shes a muslim and as someone said a while back (Glitzy, i think?), muslim woman are often dehumanised a ton and dating can be heavily condemned, especially if her family are strict muslims.

sorry for the rant but i just wanted to sorta give my two cents on poki as a whole.

[Parcher]

I'm no psychiatrist. And I while I very much like the tone this thread has been taking lately, I disagree on one point. That she is just a mean girl that got some power and is now acting shitty. I'm going to leave the textbook definition, and signs of Narcissistic Personality Disorder here, and let people make their own conclusions:

Narcissistic personality disorder — one of several types of personality disorders — is a mental condition in which people have an inflated sense of their own importance, a deep need for excessive attention and admiration, troubled relationships, and a lack of empathy for others. But behind this mask of extreme confidence lies a fragile self-esteem that's vulnerable to the slightest criticism. A narcissistic personality disorder causes problems in many areas of life, such as relationships, work, school or financial affairs. People with narcissistic personality disorder may be generally unhappy and disappointed when they're not given the special favors or admiration they believe they deserve. They may find their relationships unfulfilling, and others may not enjoy being around them.

Signs are;

Grandiose sense of self importance

Lives in a fantasy world that supports their delusions of grandeur

Demands constant praise and admiration

Sense of entitlement

Exploits others without guilt, remorse, or shame

Frequently bullies, demeans, intimidates or belittles others

[Xuaqua]

I'm no psychiatrist. And I while I very much like the tone this thread has been taking lately, I disagree on one point. That she is just a mean girl that got some power and is now acting shitty. I'm going to leave the textbook definition, and signs of Narcissistic Personality Disorder here, and let people make their own conclusions:

Narcissistic personality disorder — one of several types of personality disorders — is a mental condition in which people have an inflated sense of their own importance, a deep need for excessive attention and admiration, troubled relationships, and a lack of empathy for others. But behind this mask of extreme confidence lies a fragile self-esteem that's vulnerable to the slightest criticism. A narcissistic personality disorder causes problems in many areas of life, such as relationships, work, school or financial affairs. People with narcissistic personality disorder may be generally unhappy and disappointed when they're not given the special favors or admiration they believe they deserve. They may find their relationships unfulfilling, and others may not enjoy being around them.

Signs are;

Grandiose sense of self importance

Lives in a fantasy world that supports their delusions of grandeur

Demands constant praise and admiration

Sense of entitlement

Exploits others without guilt, remorse, or shame

Frequently bullies, demeans, intimidates or belittles others

and this is exactly why its hard to tell. because a narc and someone with a huge ego and an obsession with clout are almost identical on the outside. the only way to know if shes REALLY a narc would be for someone like fed to say she is, and until then im just gonna assume its the latter as it is more likely. my reasons for that are:

1. on her older streams (as in, before she was famous) she actually seemed quite nice and genuine. sure, she was still a leech but she was atleast somewhat likeable. a narcissist would never go from being genuine to fake, they would (from what i know) just be fake from the start.

2. a narcissist would never go through the Poki process of discarding people like Myth and Fed in the way that she did unless they had actively broken contact with her first or they had publicly tried to ruin her. in fact, from what i know about narcissists i think she would have jumped at the chance to date fed considering his simping towards her, as that is the type of behaviour that narcissists feed from. because of this, i once again still choose to believe that she is just a manipulative bitch and not actually mentally fucked.

3. this one is debatable depending on how fake you think poki is, but in my opinion, poki does seem atleast somewhat genuinely empathetic.

although its valid to assume she maybe leeched etikas death a little, i think she definitely did feel sad when he died and i dont think everything she said after his death was a PR stunt. there was also an instance where her friend died from drug abuse and she seemed genuinely fucked up, which would absolutely negate any chance of her suffering from NPD or ASPD as they apparently hold no real connections with anyone, and feel nothing when people leave their lives one way or another.

4. considering how a narcs brain works, i dont think they would EVER admit to having self esteem issues or insecurities as it would absolutely tear them apart. i think there was a clip of poki saying "its not my fault im pear shaped" while ranting, and that just isnt something a narcissist would say even as a joke.

but hey, maybe im wrong. the narcissist case is definitely alot more legitimate than the sociopath one in any case, as she is clearly not a sociopath and people who think she is need to do their research.

Edited 18 June by Xuaqua

[Parcher]

Online diagnoses are boring and pointless. Even if anyone here was qualified to do so, they obviously couldn't over the internet. That said, you make a lot of excellent points. Especially regarding her behavior over the past few years compared to the previous. But people most often use labels out of convenience rather than malice. It's easier to say, "she's a narcissist", than, "she exhibits classic narcissistic tendencies". True narcissists are exceedingly rare, and I would be fine stipulating that she is not one. Though I do not know if it's possible to develop the disorder over time. The point I was trying to illustrate was that her behavior has often aligned closely with the classic traits associated with the disorder.

[Xuaqua]

Online diagnoses are boring and pointless. Even if anyone here was qualified to do so, they obviously couldn't over the internet. That said, you make a lot of excellent points. Especially regarding her behavior over the past few years compared to the previous. But people most often use labels out of convenience rather than malice. It's easier to say, "she's a narcissist", than, "she exhibits classic narcissistic tendencies". True narcissists are exceedingly rare, and I would be fine stipulating that she is not one. Though I do not know if it's possible to develop the disorder over time. The point I was trying to illustrate was that her behavior has often aligned closely with the classic traits associated with the disorder.

oh yeah, she undoubtedly shows alot of narcissistic tendencies and i know that most people just use "narcissist" as a word for people with an ego. but the issue is if this thread ever blows up people will likely take it literally and therefore she will be wrongly labelled a narcissist which could literally fuck her for life.

regarding people developing NDP over time, i think it is only possible to develop narcissism as a young child (as a result of neglect etc.), once people grow up i dont think its really possible at all but idk.

[Parcher]

Pretty sure she was recording in the living room for her big announcements tomorrow not quite sure how you got that she was filming the police for content from.

If her announcements are sponsors the two youtube guys said they would go after her sponsors like she did theres so it will be interesting to see what happens.

Now I know what you were talking about. Much as she deserves it, I'm against going after anyone's sponsors. That said, the Mark and Jack really have lost the pulse of YT if they think there isn't going to be push back about partnering with her. Even YT is one place where even the kiddies in their audience hate her.

EDIT:Oh, and her recent trend of laying off the makeup and filters is evidently over:

Edited 18 June by Parcher

[WereWolfTCB]

she just announced that she joined markiplier and jacksepticie clothes brand, and the only reason that people might not hate becauseo of what happened with gundam will be because they might not want to harm them just because of her, even though i think peolpe should just to see if they would drop her and she would feel what gundam felt

and like always she can't use a tshirt like it's suposed to be used because it doesn't hug her tits enough, so she can't sexualize herself, imagine promoting a brand that you now collaborate with but not using their stuff like you're supposed to just noticed in her insta post that it is actually a top but it doesn't hug her body so she did what she does with all of her other shirts and tied the back of it so it would hug her body

Edited 18 June by WereWolfTCB

[glitzy]

I'm no psychiatrist. And I while I very much like the tone this thread has been taking lately, I disagree on one point. That she is just a mean girl that got some power and is now acting shitty. I'm going to leave the textbook definition, and signs of Narcissistic Personality Disorder here, and let people make their own conclusions:

Narcissistic personality disorder — one of several types of personality disorders — is a mental condition in which people have an inflated sense of their own importance, a deep need for excessive attention and admiration, troubled relationships, and a lack of empathy for others. But behind this mask of extreme confidence lies a fragile self-esteem that's vulnerable to the slightest criticism. A narcissistic personality disorder causes problems in many areas of life, such as relationships, work, school or financial affairs. People with narcissistic personality disorder may be generally unhappy and disappointed when they're not given the special favors or admiration they believe they deserve. They may find their relationships unfulfilling, and others may not enjoy being around them.

Signs are;

Grandiose sense of self importance

Lives in a fantasy world that supports their delusions of grandeur

Demands constant praise and admiration

Sense of entitlement

Exploits others without guilt, remorse, or shame

Frequently bullies, demeans, intimidates or belittles others

I agree that this topic has gotten out of hand, so I'll join in on this here and write out an essay lmao. I want to state here that narcissism in and of itself is not a disorder and that select "narcissistic" personality traits can and have been statistically proven to often contribute to a healthy personality or sense of self. A person you see behave in ways reminiscent of a narcissist or an individual with NPD is not automatically the same, and even a person who is diagnosed with narcissistic personality disorder is not automatically malignant, although often.

Without wanting to go too far, a lot of people in this thread seem to believe that observing an influencer that is notorious for keeping her privacy entitles them to give her a psychiatric evaluation based on the little information we have, and it's been pissing me off. Narcissism and antisocial personality disorders are one of the most severe forms of abnormal behavior. These people completely lack empathy, one of the most important qualities for any human. It's not something to throw around. Some comments have reached a level of ignorance that can hardly be argued with, and the proof for it is bare.

Personality disorders are serious, as they are barely treatable. A person with schizophrenia would be at a better chance of successful treatment than a true narcissist. The DSM5 and the ICD are slightly different, but I'll quote the DSM because it's what I've been working with and what the US works with. It lists 9 diagnostic criteria of which 5 have to be met, and impairments in self- and interpersonal functioning.

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The person would have a pervasive pattern of grandiosity, a need for admiration and a lack of empathy, beginning by early adulthood and present in various contexts. (The internet is one. None of us know her behavior in more than one context- as she portrays it on the internet.)

The criteria for patterned behavior are:

1. A grandiose sense of self importance, an exaggeration of achievements or talents, an expectation to be recognized as superior.

2. Preoccupation with fantasies of unlimited success, power, brilliance, beauty or ideal love.

3. Holds beliefs that they are special, unique and can only be understood by, and should only associate with, special and high-status people.

4. Requiring excessive admiration.

5. Sense of entitlement, unreasonable expectations of especially favourable treatment or automatic compliance.

6. Interpersonally exploitative, taking advantage of others to achieve their own ends.

7. Lack of empathy, unwillingness to recognize or identify with other's feelings and needs.

8. Envy of others and believing others to be envious of them.

9. Shows arrogant, haughty behaviors or attitudes.

The criteria for degrees of impairment are:

Identity: Excessive reference to others for self-definition and esteem regulation, inflated or deflated self-appraisal, emotional regulation mirrors the self-esteem, all of which are likely exaggerated.

Self-direction: Goal-setting is based on gaining approval from others, unreasonably high personal standards in order to see oneself as exceptional, or too low as a product of extreme entitlement. Often unaware.

Empathy: Impaired ability and/or willingness to recognize or identify with feelings and needs of others, very attuned to reactions of others, but only if perceived as relevant to self. They over- or underestimate their own effect on others.

Intimacy: Superficial relationships that exist to serve the regulation of their self-esteem, as they have little genuine interest in other's experiences and are mostly motivated by a need for personal gain, mutuality of relationships is very restrained.

Miscellaneous criteria:

The individual needs to display antagonism, so a pattern of overt or covert grandiosity that the individual will firmly hold onto, even if this results in condescending or hurtful behavior; and attention seeking, which are excessive attempts to attract and be the focus of attention. The individuals display these traits consistently across time and situations, are not better understood as a result of their developmental stage, substances or medical conditions, or their sociocultural environment (again, do we know her parents, how she grew up, her friends really, anything?).

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I would like for people to understand that when the diagnostic manual says, for example, "superficial relationships that only exist to serve their self esteem", "lack of empathy", "exploitative", "preoccupation with fantasies of unlimited success", "believes they are special", they mean that. What they don't mean is someone looking for validation for features they are insecure about via editing pictures or wearing yoga pants, someone who struggles to relate to people, someone who is immature or spoiled, someone who holds a unique position in the industry and or makes decisions regarding their brand or success that people disagree with, or someone who gives themselves too much credit for cosplays. They mean someone who is viscerally incapable of self-reflecting, of apologizing or righting their wrongs, who feels absolutely nothing but disdain and jealousy for the people they surround themselves with, someone who believes other people to serve for their own purpose and gain only, and who seriously believes themselves to be so above everyone else that any and every immoral or inhumane action they undertake is immediately excused and justified by their superiority.

Look, poki is spoiled and I'm on the same page as everyone else when it comes to how deserving her content right now is of the money and fame she has and continues to get. But all of her fishy and shitty actions are in a grey area. Being eloboosted is stupid, but narcissistic? Lying about her relationship status? Copyrighting people on her own terms, channels that YT deemed to be okay to be copyrighted by her? Questionable in terms of YT ethics, but nothing narcissistic about it to protect your brand and identity if it's in your right and you didn't, like, kill someone or something. I think the worst or most questionable thing I've seen from her recently is when she made that post about etika. That one was concerning.

Still, personally, I believe that anyone who calls poki a narcissist, a sociopath or a psychopath at this point, who doesn't either know her well, has more proof, or is significantly more qualified should seriously evaluate their judgment and probably has no clue what they're talking about, nor has ever really interacted with a narcissist who didn't like you.

[danielson]

she just announced that she joined markiplier and jacksepticie clothes brand, and the only reason that people might not hate becauseo of what happened with gundam will be because they might not want to harm them just because of her, even though i think peolpe should just to see if they would drop her and she would feel what gundam felt

and like always she can't use a tshirt like it's suposed to be used because it doesn't hug her tits enough, so she can't sexualize herself, imagine promoting a brand that you now collaborate with but not using their stuff like you're supposed to just noticed in her insta post that it is actually a top but it doesn't hug her body so she did what she does with all of her other shirts and tied the back of it so it would hug her body

bro its a crop top. its sold that way... https://cloakbrand.com/collections/living-colour/products/lc_full_colour_crop_tee_sky_dye

stop being such an incel about women having bodies for 3 minutes and criticize one of the many other valid points people make.