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YG: I can tolerate misogyny, sexual assault, prostitution, distributing illegally filmed non-consensual porn and human trafficking but I draw the line at my artist doing drugs while he was at a low point in his life.

I'm mad YG actually let Hanbin go. Even though it was his own decision (if what he stated is true), he can't terminate his contract without the company's approval. I know YG has been through so much shit these past 6 months with scandal after scandal and the Korean public is just getting fed up with it. Despite YG's name being tarnished for good at this point (they had bad name before all this with their artists doing drugs like G-Dragon, TOP and Park Bom), I still don't think it was a good decision to decide to terminate his contract. I honestly think it will be the end for iKON if Hanbin never goes back. He was the leader and his members heavily relied on him. He has the main part in producing and writing their songs and he takes part in choreographing their dances as well. All the other YG artists were able to eventually bounce back from their drug scandals and Hanbin could too. I hope YG realises throwing Hanbin under the bus will do them no good in the long run.

 

YG being involved in things worse than drugs doesn't justify this Hanbin(?)'s actions lol. Considering he lived a decent life because his dad embezzled money AND the fact he is a druggie makes that he doesn't get any pity points here.

People need to realize iKon is just Big Bang Junior. They're irrelevant, no one knows or cares about the members. People don't even know the members and that is the only reason this group hasn't been brought up in ""bad"" scandals.
I'm no kpop fan so I don't really understand why foreign fans are trying to justify this new trash douche because in their countries drugs are not illegal, nor do I understand why anyone is even defending any of these criminals anymore. 

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YG being involved in things worse than drugs doesn't justify this Hanbin(?)'s actions lol. Considering he lived a decent life because his dad embezzled money AND the fact he is a druggie makes that he doesn't get any pity points here.

People need to realize iKon is just Big Bang Junior. They're irrelevant, no one knows or cares about the members. People don't even know the members and that is the only reason this group hasn't been brought up in ""bad"" scandals.
I'm no kpop fan so I don't really understand why foreign fans are trying to justify this new trash douche because in their countries drugs are not illegal, nor do I understand why anyone is even defending any of these criminals anymore. 

 

Um, what does his dad's actions have to do with Hanbin? He doesn't deserve to be slandered because his dad is a criminal and I find it unfair that people bring his dad into this to further demonize Hanbin. What is he supposed to do about his dad? 

iKON isn't even irrelevant, I'm not sure what you're talking about. I've followed them when they were just trainees on the survival show 'Win: Who Is Next' and 'Mix & Match'. The hype for their debut was pretty big and they did fairly well for a rookie group. They're big in Japan and had a successful Japan Dome tour. They have a good amount of international fans and Love Scenario was actually a big hit in Korea as well so I wouldn't call these guys irrelevant at all.

iKON had its own scandals in the past as well. They've been accused of having bad personalities, bullying within the group, etc. Their problems never went under the radar. Hanbin joined YG in 2011 which means he was 14 and in 2015 iKON was finally able to make a debut after going through 2 shitty survival shows. K-pop fans know Hanbin is irreplaceable in iKON and works extremely hard. Legal or illegal, I was never a fan of how extreme the Korean public would react to drug scandals and would always try to nearly excommunicate said individual. Drugs are bad, everybody knows. If anything they should spread awareness for it and try to help the person since it's an addiction that needs to be treated.

Fans have been speculating that he has depression for a while now and even before he debuted he would say he was struggling and felt a big amount of pressure. He mentioned in the texts how he wanted to try LSD to become a 'genius' and was curious about if he would hallucinate. Hanbin knows YG won't give them a comeback unless he produces songs so I feel pretty bad he turned to drugs to help him cope and to make music and how the company can't properly look out for their own artists who have been with them since they were kids. 

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Damn he wrote Love Scenario? That song was MASSIVE in Korea, like playing everywhere non stop and even a lot of non kpop fans liked it.

It seems (someone correct me if I'm wrong cuz I just googled it after seeing it here) like he only tried to purchase LSD years ago? Tbh I don't get what the major upset with that is, in the sense that yes it was wrong, but it was years ago and there's no real proof he even eventually got it. Compared to the Seungri stuff, which seems to have been dropped for the most part other than half crucifying Seungri himself (as in, none of the politicians/people with power got exposed and the blame was mostly shifted to the famous guy). I'm not saying what BI did wasn't wrong (though personally Korea's views on drugs are preposterous and I know people who recreationally do hard drugs and aren't drug addicts so taking LSD once does not a drug ADDICT make imo), but again it was years ago and seems to have been an initial fuck up with no evidence of real follow through? And even if he DID then take LSD, I just think it's a bit ridiculous to go after the kid for something that happened years ago and something that, at the end of the day, really only had the potential to harm himself. Compare this to the bullying scandals (including one guy allegedly putting plastic bags over people's heads?!) that have popped up recently plus the Burning Sun shit and YG kicking him out just seems like the biggest red herring overreaction to me. 

Idk I'm really not a fan of this whole "someone does something years ago that was not 100% legal but is relatively common amongst non famous people (ie underage drinking or doing drugs) and therefore they should now be strung up and publicly flogged for it". like, does this really show such bad character that it deserves that kind of reaction? Especially if he's been an upstanding citizen since I really think it's just ridiculous. Nobody's perfect, and this just seems a bit cruel to me and is a problem along the lines of how can we expect people to grow and change if we punish them for the past, depending on the severity of their actions. (But bullying kids severely and showing no remorse? Nah. You're messed up and deserve the public shaming at the very least imo.) 

And mainly ridiculous, since imho it's just a distraction to keep people from asking who else was involved in the Burning Sun shit that weren't celebrities, and to distract from the fact that there's been no real movement around punishing THOSE people.

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I FUCKING hate that such a talented artist got kicked out of a company with his reputation possibly irreparable. the only thing good (not even good tbh) is that he got out of YG. but damn YG is proving himself to be shittier every fucking day. call me a conspiracy theorists but i'm thinking he's used as a scapegoat so that the public won't scrutinize YG's scandals. fuck this shit. 

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I read the transcripts of Hanbin's conversation with the dealer and he comes across as as a stupid inexperienced teenager who wants to impress his bros. We've all done stupid shit as teenagers and I won't hold it against him. 

Also let's be real for a moment: there are probably many idols on soft drugs and a few on hard drugs too and that would be true for all companies big and small.

I'm much more concerned about the way YG Entertainment is run, that they not only didn't protect the artists and trainees in their charge (let's not forget most trainees are legally CHILDREN) but even seem to have their own appointed dealer in Han Seohee?!  Their ties with the police and government need to be investigated extensively all the way to the top.

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Since you're not a kpop fan, I guess you wouldn't know how popular iKon is in Korea. If they're irrelevant as you say, then they wouldn't have deals with Fortnite, Hanbin wouldn't have won best songwriter for Love Scenario, and their songs wouldn't constantly be played all around Korea. 

I would hardly consider Hanbin a druggie either....the soompi article says he only tried to buy LSD. And I wouldn't say that Hanbin has had a decent life. He had to give up his childhood in order to become a trainee, and the trainee life is hard and far from "decent". He's been training since he was practically a child. 

And even if Hanbin was a drug addict, I would hardly consider that a flaw in his character and rather as something concerning for his health. Addiction is a disease, not a moral flaw. Hanbin admitted that he was going through a difficult time when these events occurred. He was NINETEEN, and although we'll never know exactly what he was going through at the time, he did admit that he was struggling. If anything, this situation makes me concerned about his mental health rather than hate him. Same with TOP. Both their situations aren't comparable to Seungri's situation. 

 

I do know LOL and they're not as relevant as foreign fans like to think they are. I don't fangirl over anyone, that doesn't mean I am ignorant about the industry but nice try. He tried to buy drugs. It's illegal. Why bother excusing this faulty human if there are plenty of other oppars for you to support? Foreign kpop fans are truly ripping some muscles by reaching so hard to find SOME justification for these criminals. "Troubled teens" yea whatever, that doesn't mean this kid has to resort to drugs. He's not the only troubled teen. 19 is old enough to know what's right and wrong, stop babying this guy because he is "talented" and you wanna see your oppar on stage. He's done and so am I with this conversation so don't bother quoting me again lol. 

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I'm hearing from 'sasaengs' (idk if they are the legit ones or just weird kboos) that several companies are using YG's problems to quickly cover their own drug and tax evasion scandals. I honestly kinda believe it since everyone's eyes are on YG, but what do you guys think? My bets are on Pledis, SM, JYP, and some companies involved with the government.

 

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I'm hearing from 'sasaengs' (idk if they are the legit ones or just weird kboos) that several companies are using YG's problems to quickly cover their own drug and tax evasion scandals. I honestly kinda believe it since everyone's eyes are on YG, but what do you guys think? My bets are on Pledis, SM, JYP, and some companies involved with the government.

 

 

Totally! FNC is known to have done this actually and SM was also accused of tax evasion (but SM is even more powerful than YG so there is no way you'd ever hear about that)

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I read the transcripts of Hanbin's conversation with the dealer and he comes across as as a stupid inexperienced teenager who wants to impress his bros. We've all done stupid shit as teenagers and I won't hold it against him. 

Also let's be real for a moment: there are probably many idols on soft drugs and a few on hard drugs too and that would be true for all companies big and small.

I'm much more concerned about the way YG Entertainment is run, that they not only didn't protect the artists and trainees in their charge (let's not forget most trainees are legally CHILDREN) but even seem to have their own appointed dealer in Han Seohee?!  Their ties with the police and government need to be investigated extensively all the way to the top.

 

Agreed.  I bet a lot of idols/artists with hectic schedules are at least casually doing coke.  At the end of the day, it's all about 1. who gets caught, 2. who pays for scandals to disappear and 3. in whose interest some of these scandals are when they do see the light of the day.

While I agree that drugs are illegal in Korea and that it is treated as a very serious offense, you would be surprised just how many people still do them (depends on your friend circle).  

Wanting to do acid is definitely not a crime, and he definitely sounded very eager and without much information.  While I don't condemn him for that (or drugs in general), acid can have severe side effects for people who already suffer from mental health (I've personally seen people have a psychotic breakdown because of LSD and you wouldn't believe what happened to them).

 

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I do know LOL and they're not as relevant as foreign fans like to think they are. I don't fangirl over anyone, that doesn't mean I am ignorant about the industry but nice try. He tried to buy drugs. It's illegal. Why bother excusing this faulty human if there are plenty of other oppars for you to support? Foreign kpop fans are truly ripping some muscles by reaching so hard to find SOME justification for these criminals. "Troubled teens" yea whatever, that doesn't mean this kid has to resort to drugs. He's not the only troubled teen. 19 is old enough to know what's right and wrong, stop babying this guy because he is "talented" and you wanna see your oppar on stage. He's done and so am I with this conversation so don't bother quoting me again lol. 

 

OT but you should read this post about how using "oppar" is racist, even if you're trying to be funny and "ironic"

Like I said before, ADDICTION IS A DISEASE!!!!!!!! NOT A FLAW IN CHARACTER!!! Even if he wasn't an idol, I would still be concerned about him trying to use drugs to cope because I have empathy and I care about people? I'm not going to go in to my beliefs on drug laws around the world, but drug usage should be treated like an illness because IT IS. Smh. 

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I do know LOL and they're not as relevant as foreign fans like to think they are. I don't fangirl over anyone, that doesn't mean I am ignorant about the industry but nice try. He tried to buy drugs. It's illegal. Why bother excusing this faulty human if there are plenty of other oppars for you to support? Foreign kpop fans are truly ripping some muscles by reaching so hard to find SOME justification for these criminals. "Troubled teens" yea whatever, that doesn't mean this kid has to resort to drugs. He's not the only troubled teen. 19 is old enough to know what's right and wrong, stop babying this guy because he is "talented" and you wanna see your oppar on stage. He's done and so am I with this conversation so don't bother quoting me again lol. 

 

are we really gonna go down the TOP route with "iTs iLLeGaL" 

pretty sure every one of us has done something illegal (even if it's just jaywalking). not like he murdered someone. like, god, did yall fucks migrate from lolcow? get some empathy for a change lmfao. i pity people who are your friends honestly, i know i wouldn't wanna be friends with someone who would drop and judge a person when they're low like that. 

also i know it's not directed at me but, imma quote anyone i want it's a fucking forum. delete your account if you don't like it lol. 

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My take on this situation: obviously he broke the law and was dumb as hell for using his own phone (and kakaotalk which can get hacked to reveal deleted texts easily) to do a drug deal *facepalm*. However, I find it funny that YG didn't even bother hiding his blatant favoritism and terminated his contract. Especially considering that it happened 3 years ago, he didn't use them, and that he stood behind GD and TOP. I hope Hanbin is okay though because when TOP got caught, didn't he overdose? I don't want that to repeat...

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Putting his drug use aside I find it interesting people think yg just threw out a talented kid for no reason when he kept kush who’s not as popular as gd seungri top bom etc etc. It seems like he’s trying to cut the tail rather than throwing him out for no reason, im not implying that he has done worse things or anything I think he might be related to scandals YG is trying to hide where he might be the victim, bystander or smh. A while ago there were articles released about YG being involved in a sex ring that included underaged girls but they were deleted in 2 hours. Yg knew his wife since she was a child and disbanded her group to keep her to himself and have dated her since she was barely legal.  He even admitted he started having a crush on her when she was in second year of middle school. It’s also known that yg treats his rich trainees better than his poor trainees, he cares very little about talent itself even if he claims otherwise. Yg has always been public about his abusive behavior towards his artists and I believe it might’ve affected the younger trainees mentally. Im not a fan of B.I/hanbin and the only things I know about him are from when he was in smtm and proud to be from YG and that pann post which was trending back in the day where he was rough with one of the members. I can’t find the post but it was this picture:

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Im not sure whether things have now changed as Im not a fan but back in 2014-2016 YG was very obvious with his favouritism towards bobby and B.I, the most obvious being one of their songs being sung 1,31min by BI and 1min by bobby while one of the members had 0 lines in the whole song. 

I hope this post doesn’t come off as hate because I fail to feel bad for him because im not a fan, if he does have depression and does drugs because of it I hope he gets help and it’s actually great that he left YG, he’s no longer pressured to make a certain kind of music that YG likes. However I do have to admit that it makes me laugh seeing ifans mostly on twitter claiming he hasn’t done any drugs because he can’t take alcohol well and YG denied it. You believe things coming out of YG’s mouth in 2019? The same man denied everything seungri has done. Drinking soju also has nothing to do with smoking weed or doing lsd. It’s also very childish to think dispatch has some personal vendetta against him. I also think yg throwing him out is very shady, I believe he’s trying to cut a tail so it doesn’t sink his boat even more. He even revealed the drug dealers name (han seohee) and she admitted that YG has threatened her. Im not sure what he was thinking but admitting you make your artists take a drug test every 2 months it beyond stupid especially now that he was exposed to send his artists to japan if they fail the test. Just how much more is this trash hiding? He was even linked to choi soonsil, he has the police on his side, why is he above the law? At this point I think managing idol groups is just a hobby for him.

 

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