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I'd like to see the rank titles be changed to English titles. I have no idea what my current rank means also I see no purpose in having French ranks when the website is English. Also, is there somewhere where I can the requirements for the different ranks?

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I'd like to see the rank titles be changed to English titles. I have no idea what my current rank means also I see no purpose in having French ranks when the website is English. Also, is there somewhere where I can the requirements for the different ranks?

I don't mind it, I think it fits in with the forum's image. (also Lumineux = 50 posts, Merveilleux = 500 posts, Sans pareil = 1,000 posts). If you're curious, Lumineux means luminious, merveillieux means marvelous, sans pareil means unparalleled (I hope I'm right...)

I think the reputation system is good. Sometimes a downvote is much better than arguing with someone and it makes people think before they post. Though the gap between Lumi and Merv feels a bit too steep? Or between ranks in general, but hey, I think it's still fine like this

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I don't really like this system..

 

Ditto. It reminds me of another forum I absolutely couldn't stand that was full of pompous elitists.

I don't disagree that downvotes trump arguing, but this "overall" public system is flawed.

Basically when you tie everything together with "overall reputation", the problem is most people don't give positives to anyone that isn't already well known, and with negatives people see one and feel obliged to join in on the parade and so it's very easy for newbies to gather negatives simply due to one or two "bad" posts, vs anything else they might've contributed. Everyone is new once, everyone has their off posts, etc... It's a system that's probably the best way I can think of to discourage new members who don't 'mold' to the status quo, might have differing or even 'controversial' opinions, and gives off a very unwelcoming vibe.

It's also paradoxical, because basically, once you're in the hole, you don't get out again. Ever.

And look, I couldn't care less about meaningless reputation since it really doesn't affect anything, but I think it just paints a target on someone's back, which I can't imagine anyone likes, and might discourage a newbie from posting further, or maybe even dissuade other members from talking with them, simply due to what the reputation says.

And at the absolute worst, I feel it's a system designed to force people to 'conform' to a more hivemind environment, which in my mind, is the antithesis of what a forum should be.

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Ditto. It reminds me of another forum I absolutely couldn't stand that was full of pompous elitists.

I don't disagree that downvotes trump arguing, but this "overall" public system is flawed.

Basically when you tie everything together with "overall reputation", the problem is most people don't give positives to anyone that isn't already well known, and with negatives people see one and feel obliged to join in on the parade and so it's very easy for newbies to gather negatives simply due to one or two "bad" posts, vs anything else they might've contributed. Everyone is new once, everyone has their off posts, etc... It's a system that's probably the best way I can think of to discourage new members who don't 'mold' to the status quo, might have differing or even 'controversial' opinions, and gives off a very unwelcoming vibe.

It's also paradoxical, because basically, once you're in the hole, you don't get out again. Ever.

And look, I couldn't care less about meaningless reputation since it really doesn't affect anything, but I think it just paints a target on someone's back, which I can't imagine anyone likes, and might discourage a newbie from posting further, or maybe even dissuade other members from talking with them, simply due to what the reputation says.

And at the absolute worst, I feel it's a system designed to force people to 'conform' to a more hivemind environment, which in my mind, is the antithesis of what a forum should be.

 

It’s normal to feel taken aback by downvotes, as everyone does, but what you said about users with negative reputation not being seen as credible is actually false. We’ve had plenty of users who used to have negative reputation and managed to turn it around. A lot of people disagree with each other on PULL, so it’s not like everyone thinks one way and that’s the end of it.

Besides, you got downvoted for saying this:

Yuck, I feel like I'm looking at retard porn that's been leaked. :amgplz:

 

Which, when you really look at it, is a little distasteful.

Downvoting is the system users have for when they disagree with someone but don’t feel like arguing with them. No one felt like getting into an argument with you, so they downvoted. It’s simple. You also went back and downvoted a post of mine, and a couple other users’, which you had previously upvoted, I’m guessing out of spite.

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the problem is most people don't give positives to anyone that isn't already well known

 

Sorry but I don't believe this is true. I'm pretty new here (been here about almost 2 months) and at least on the Kenna thread I've had a few posts be generously upvoted. Maybe I haven't been here long enough or ventured onto any other threads to be able to see this in action, but i think the community upvote and downvote pretty fairly

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Sorry but I don't believe this is true. I'm pretty new here (been here about almost 2 months) and at least on the Kenna thread I've had a few posts be generously upvoted. Maybe I haven't been here long enough or ventured onto any other threads to be able to see this in action, but i think the community upvote and downvote pretty fairly

 

I agree with you! I have only been here since December, so I wouldn't say I'm well known, and now I'm almost always at the top of the weekly contributors. I don't consider myself as having posted anything groundbreaking, so people seem to be very generous with upvoting me lol. 

Like what @Yuuna said, when I first came here, I started off with a pretty negative reputation. I don't even remember why, to be honest. But the more you read here and the more you post, the better you learn to word your posts and opinions so as to be respectful to other users and to not seem like you're being irrationally negative or so positive that you're a WK. 

And at the absolute worst, I feel it's a system designed to force people to 'conform' to a more hivemind environment, which in my mind, is the antithesis of what a forum should be.

 

As for the whole 'hivemind' argument, I slightly agree - people do tend to think quite similarly about certain flakes, etc. But if you have a differing opinion and people downvote you for it, too bad. It just means they don't agree, not that they don't like you, or you don't fit into the cookie-cutter mould of what PULL should be. It can be hard to deal with downvotes at first, especially if you feel like you don't understand why people would disagree with you.

However, if you really are posting things like the example Yuuna provided, I can totally see why you may be getting an abundance of downvotes. Not only is it not tasteful, but the r-word is offensive to a lot of people. I absolutely hate it when anyone uses it because I have a younger sister with learning difficulties and knowing that someone may call her that one day makes my blood boil. 

And look, I couldn't care less about meaningless reputation since it really doesn't affect anything, but I think it just paints a target on someone's back, which I can't imagine anyone likes, and might discourage a newbie from posting further, or maybe even dissuade other members from talking with them, simply due to what the reputation says.

 

And even if you did have negative overall reputation, people probably aren't going to go to the effort of clicking on your profile to see if that's the case. People just see you post, and downvote or upvote depending on if they agree or disagree.

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@Cyrillic it wasn’t even an abundance of downvotes, they had 3 when they posted this. It has since gone up to 5, but you get what I mean: that is by no means “an abundance.” People in threads like Kenna’s will get 20+ downvotes in less than an hour for saying much tamer stuff.

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I like the downvote/upvote system because for shy people like me who don't really want to argue or even respond we can do it without having to post anything. also without the system we would get a lot of useless I agree posts that would probably end up cluttering threads and not being really helpful. So I feel the system at least lets us avoid five people reposting the same post and saying I agree and derailing the thread that way. 

As for downvotes it's all imaginary points. they don't mean anything in the long run. I get downvotes and I get upvotes but I don't really mind either way. It's not gonna affect my life at the end of the day. Oooh I rhymed go me!

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it's a minefield, to be honest. if someone disagrees, they downvote. i don't have a problem with that, but sometimes saying something nice about a snowflake will make you sound like a wk and bam! downvote.

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I forgot to mention I would love to be able to like more than 25! I know I already made a thread about this but I didn't realize this existed so I apologize, but it sucks being unable to like folks. There are so many people I want to like but I end up using all my likes and I am like NOOOOOO! STELLLAAAAA!...Ahem. Sorry. Anyway yep. 

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There need to be a middle option. Up vote and down vote is good but for those who argree with some points that are made but not all. The two point voting option just doesn't work in that aspect.

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It’s normal to feel taken aback by downvotes, as everyone does, but what you said about users with negative reputation not being seen as credible is actually false. We’ve had plenty of users who used to have negative reputation and managed to turn it around. A lot of people disagree with each other on PULL, so it’s not like everyone thinks one way and that’s the end of it.

Besides, you got downvoted for saying this:

Which, when you really look at it, is a little distasteful.

Downvoting is the system users have for when they disagree with someone but don’t feel like arguing with them. No one felt like getting into an argument with you, so they downvoted. It’s simple. You also went back and downvoted a post of mine, and a couple other users’, which you had previously upvoted, I’m guessing out of spite.

I didn't downvote anyone out of spite; I just looked into the ones who did and found I didn't like some of their posts. You must've missed the other activity at the time I did too. Picking and choosing what to mention, huh?

 

And in response to the post that apparently everyone hated, so if I had said "Someone mentally handicapped", that would make it better, even though the message is exactly the same?

You're making fun of others, akin to a troll forum, yet we have to keep as gentle as possible? What about some of the other posts that got upvoted? "Her vagina looks as dirty as her couch." Sure too if I posted that, it would've gotten downvoted, but because it was from a well-known member, upvote.

I've even seen some of your posts get upvoted that literally add nothing to anything, like, "Hi, everyone!". And why is that? Popularity.

I can see right right through this system and your words. Prove me wrong.

There need to be a middle option. Up vote and down vote is good but for those who argree with some points that are made but not all. The two point voting option just doesn't work in that aspect.

There is no such thing as neutral opinion in current year; you either LIKE or HATE something. That's the state we're at. Unfortunately.

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My reputation was -76 (now -68) because people would disagree or not understand with my point of view about a snowflake - OR I didn't presented my opinion in the right way. Or probably all three.

Believe me, being downvoted sucks to the point I requested my account to be deleted.

At the same time getting downvoted feels bad, however, it also makes you reflect about what you did "wrong".

Then you realize this is a gossip forum and 99% of what people assume about the snowflakes has zero evidence - including my own assumptions.

So, unless you are someone who quotes a user you disagree with just to say "fuck you", you don't feel bad anymore. There is nothing wrong putting your opinion out there.

On the other hand, posts that are personally attacking someone who has been downvoted are upvoted. So, I must agree with the downvoting herd effect. Thankfully only the upvoted posts get popular medals :doge:

Edit: ironically enough, downvoted ♥

Edit 2: positive reputation now :harharplz:

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The old reputation system was great when PULL was a close-knit community that usually respected other peoples disagreeing opinions however, PULL isn't so little anymore. More and more people are joining and conforming to hive-mind lately.

I think a better system is to disable upvoting/downvoting all together so people will stop thinking "this person's post is in the negatives so it must be wrong"  vice versa. Or leaving the ability to upvote/downvote but letting only the poster see how many people upvoted or downvoted. 

The current system where you can only upvote makes it seem like disagreeing=bad 

I do appreciate the changes to try improve PULL!

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 Was there ever a limit to the downvotes? I know the upvotes limit is pretty high (25 I think?), maybe we could implement some sort of stricter limit to downvotes like 10-15 a day or something, IDK how easy it would be to go over the 25 upvote limit though?. I think people take upvoting/downvoting way too seriously, I've seen a few threads be derailed because of people complaining about downvotes when they're not that big of a deal, I'm sure everyone here has had a few posts downvoted to hell and back.

Maybe making the downvoting anonymous might be better?, like when you get the notification it could just say "you recieved reputation",  that might make people feel less personally attacked?. Or maybe we should just get rid of the whole voting system if people are getting that mad over it? I like the voting system because it's a simple way of agreeing or disagreeing without having to derail the thread, but I don't think taking it away is gonna ruin the site for me. 

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