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Reputation Feedback

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Hi everyone!

As some of you may have noticed, we are currently experimenting with some thread design changes. At the moment, both reputation and post counts are not displayed next to posts.

Both are still displayed on all member profiles and can be seen by yourself and others. Reputation for individual posts is still visible, and the reputation system itself has not been changed. For the time being, ranks and rank images are still in place.

 

Initially, I experimented with hiding just the reputation. Some of my rationale for choosing to hide both reputation and post count was nicely explained by All Over The World here: https://prettyuglylittleliar.net/topic/2450-we-need-more-roosters-for-this-hen-house/?do=findComment&comment=110974

In short, it may be misleading to display post counts but not reputation. The ratio of a user’s reputation to their post count is a much more accurate indicator of someone's perceived content quality than either alone.

This is an experiment. These changes may be reverted or altered in some way. Please use this thread for feedback and discussion. After some time, I will do another survey to see how the community feels about the changes, and take action based on that feedback.

 

FAQ

Q: Could you bring back just the post count / bring back just the reputation?

A: All Over The World gave a good explanation of why having just one can skew perception: https://prettyuglylittleliar.net/topic/2450-we-need-more-roosters-for-this-hen-house/?do=findComment&comment=110974

 

Q: Won't it be easier for people to troll?

A: If someone is consistently submitting low quality posts, report them and staff will deal with it appropriately. More information on reporting can be found here: https://prettyuglylittleliar.net/announcement/9-using-the-report-feature/

Additionally, staff do still see reputation and post count next to each post.

 

Q: Users with a high reputation-to-post ratio are more respected and their posts can be trusted more. Wasn't this useful?

A: Reputation is given subjectively. A user with high reputation is not necessarily more trustworthy, and a low reputation user is not necessarily less trustworthy. A certain user could be well-liked but sometimes make incorrect or low quality posts. Automatically expecting a post to be good because of high rep or bad because of low rep can lead to groupthink mentality. You can still get a rough idea about a particular post's quality by looking at its reputation score. If you care to know that much, you can still view their reputation and post count on their profile.

 

Q: I worked hard for my reputation. I liked seeing it, and want it back.

A: This isn't a social networking website, and should not revolve around the personalities of its users. Some users view reputation as a popularity contest, and become overly emotionally invested in their and others' reputation scores. This creates unnecessary jealousy and drama, and distracts from the purpose of the site. Again, those who care can still see their reputation and post count on their profiles, and so can everyone else.

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I think the reputation is not needed and definitely not a sign of an user being trustworthy or not. In a lot of threads you can find posts without any real value to the topic with a really high reputation, just because the user who made the post is/was popular. Other way around you can also find many posts getting negative reputation because of an unpopular opinion by an unpopular user.

As far as I'm concerned the reputation system could be deleted entirely. :alpacawink:

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Thank you for addressing this.

I'm for hiding the rep and showing the post count. This is my view on it:

Reputation: People started taking reputation way to serious. It's good to still have it showing on the post so that by skimming through a thread you'll notice at a glance which are the important posts to read. I like reputation for that and that only. I know I am one of the people who has a relatively low post count compared to my rep (or had before some dozens of downvotes in the Venus section :haiplz:), but I'm all for hiding it.

Post count: I am most active in the Taylor section where we always have some new members showing up, some WKing, some just curious, having googled about Taylor's surgeries and stumbled upon PULL. The post count makes it fairly easy to spot them and give them some advise how to get around, how things are handled on PULL and just giving them some slack for posting in wrong topics etc. For this you don't need the relation of reputation compared to the post count, but the post count in relation to the post.

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I can't say I really enjoy it, but I'm not sure if it's because it just looks so empty now. 

First, I'll say this: There isn't really a post count war. Keeping it there or removing it won't really make much of a difference, but it can be helpful for deciphering new posters at a glance, as we all know a common sign of a selfposter is having only one post, and that's a thread on someone. 

I think it's a useful feature personally.

 

As for reputation... Yes, it's true people with a large positive reputation can make stupid or incorrect posts, including myself. But honestly, if people rely on total reputation of the poster alone to decide whether the post is crap or not... Well, nothing is going to stop them from going with the flow. Instead of looking at the reputation, they're going to read the replies to the post and copy what everyone else thinks in that way instead.

I think reputation is useful when it comes to easily spotting a shitposter. I don't always want to click on their profile to check this out, since some shitposters seem to get a huge ego boost from seeing that people looked at their profile. 

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Most new posters that I've encountered always 99% of the time immediately announce that they are new... 

" Hi, I'm new here and this is my thoughts on the current subject" 

Kinda hard not to tell that person is new... When they stated it... 

If they don't state their new ( which dear new members, its not a requirement to do ) it really isn't that hard to hover the mouth over their Display picture and see : 

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Takes literally 5 seconds to check my fellow Membs !

 

I am loving the sight of new commenters in the Taylor section ! Non of them are really "White Knights" and some seemed like lurkers that have grown the courage to comment now that it doesn't seem like a rigged system where only high post-content/rank is viewed as the only opinion/content that matters. Besides people are bound to clash on topics/opinions and thats fine, this isn't a hive-mind site where everyone is required to agree and think alike. 

Besides, no matter what we do we'll always have the occasional whit knight or spammer or shit poster... Getting rid of something or adding it back won't really change that. ( Though there won't be as much bickering about being down voted or in the negative ) 

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I think if rep count is done away with than post should go as well.  I think they don't work without each other.  

I'm more ambivalent now on whether to keep them.  I wouldn't be opposed to either way.  

The only thing I really want back is my little King Koopa crown I got from a 1000 rep.  I love that thing.  And it won't intimidate people.  Most probably won't even notice it's not the star.  

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Yeah I don't mind the numbers going away, but if we are going to keep the little cakes (is it cake? idk) and wings to represent post count I think we should keep the stars and crowns for rep. Just so it doesn't seem so empty and kind of gives people a general idea of a poster's standing. 

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They could maybe put the "Joined Date" below the DP with the stars/crowns/turds aswell ? So people have a general idea of rep and when people joined ? 

Idk, just an idea. 

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I like the reputation ;-; it was my goal to get more reputation than post count. It looks empty otherwise. I mean I get why you removed it I suppose? But I don't agree with it.

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I think that losing the reputation will do good things for this forum. People were getting way too butthurt over downvotes, that shouldn't matter as much now.

I feel like some sections of pull have suffered a little bit from "mob mentality" and I think the reputation was mostly to blame for that. I hope that this will help people just speak their own minds and that people will stop being afraid of disagreeing with the majority.. :lamaheadshake:

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I'm quite neutral on the subject. There's benefits to both having it displayed and having it removed. Maybe have a poll, majority wins type deal?  

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     PULL's reputation system is actually quite useful for determining the veracity of the source of information and even help identify sock-puppet accounts & trolls.  Those with a higher reputation appear more "trust-worthy", so the information/content of a member with higher reputation points are viewed with greater regard & seriousness.  The source of the problem of "reputation point inflation" comes from how some members perceive the voting system in PULL. Some users would upvote for the sake of agreeing to a post, while others downvote just to disagree; IMHO these shouldn't be so. This is my particular system with regards to voting in the PULL forums:   

  • I Upvote a post I find useful/helpful; those with contents/ideas I want to save/pass along to others.  
  • I Downvote a post I find useless/nonsense; those with contents/ideas I DON'T want to save/pass along to others.  

     If I agree with a post, I simply respond with agreement. If I don't agree, then I respond likewise but with civility.  If we really are a truth-seeking forum, then we should vote for quality content that can be passed along. I don't mind if someone else "steals" the images/content that I created/posted and even reposts them, having contributed is sufficient enough as credit for me.  After all, truthful content is what really matters. 

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I'm a dumbbitch cause I wrote "...regarded with greater regard..." WTH. Error 404. English cohesion not found.
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I'm on the fence with the reputation thing, but I think that having a post count helps weed out self-posters with very little post counts. Although you can check it just by hovering your mouse over the profile icon in desktop mode, its a bit more troublesome to check when you're on mobile. I think that if you're gonna promote PULL as a place that does its own research, we shouldn't be too worried about people being easily swayed by post counts and reputation. 

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