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pewdiepipeline video maker referred to himself as an anarchist if you actually watched the fucking video, anarchism and communism aren't the same shit. I don't sympathize with any of those ideologies but if it's a video making good points. he even self acknowledges that people aren't going to like him for making the video. Doesn't sound like you've watched the actual thing. There are two parts. Go watch the second assuming you even finished the first.

and even if anarchism can be edgy and it's not an ideology I identify with, pewdiepipeline uploader makes some good points - I dont always agree with every single thing leftytube says, but they do a better job at calling out alt right BS than many spineless "skeptic" youtubers or fringe fake"leftist" losers like Sargon who aren't actually leftists who will always sympathize with cases of alt right lunatics who don't deserve their sympathy or time of day, and they fucking shouldn't give lip service to the alt right if they're actual liberals who claim not to stand for nazi bs. I'm not even that far left but fucking christ leftytube and destiny are basically all I can stand at this point when it comes to political commentators on the site. I think destiny has referred to himself as a liberal but he doesn't have the prototypical leftytube content warning bs in his videos and other things make him seem more slight left without being 100% neutral on bs. anyway, I don't think people should remain neutral/impartial when it comes to obvious nazis, like that E;R guy, and it was rightful to call Felix out on featuring E;R. And Felix is honestly part of that little "fringe" sector of "apathetic hahahahaha we're so edgy and pandering to our edgy audience" memelords whose pandering has proven to be unintentionally harmful whether he means it or not. Like I said he's not the only one but he is the biggest one involved. I'm literally regurgitating what I said before.

anyway tl;dr, no, the guy who uploaded pewdiepipeline isn't a communist or even a socialist, he identified as an anarchist. socialism, communism, and anarchism are not the same ideologies, there are such thing as "anarcho capitalists", it's not all socialists/communists. totally irrelevant, he brings up his ideology in video 2 but it really doesn't take away from the power of his words and what he's trying to say, and I think people across ideologies that aren't extreme ones or who actually open their ears would realize the point that he is trying to make. like I said I'm not in 100% agreement with socialism/communism/anarchist but I'd rather talk to a pleasant socialist/communist/anarchist than a fucking far right extremist or far right extremist sympathizer who's unpleasant, if you really need to know.

 

you are boring me with your shilling attempt. I did watch the whole video, I forgot most of it because it made shit points. 

what the left is doing, it is surrendering all the power to the alt right. In just two weeks, pewdiepie is a white supremacist, the ok sign is a white supremacy sign now, CLOWNS are too. 

It wouldnt shock me if blinking is a white supremacist symbol as well, so we all proceed to tape our eyes open. 

 

oh god, you are a destiny fan. Please gish gallop away from me.

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I have nothing else to say but people who think being from Northern Europe excuses anything Pewdiepie does, are misguided. He's had his channel since 2010, he interacts with people all over the world frequently if not daily, he uses global/US-centric media a lot.
If his world view was Sweden-centric, he wouldn't be able to recommend something like Jordan Peterson. From a Northern European point of view, Jordan Peterson is most of all a thing on the Internet, you don't hear about him in just day-to-day life in Sweden, he's not a Thing in the Northern European political scene. Since he's aware of Peterson, I'm sure he's also aware of other views and opinions on the Internet as well, not just whatever he hears from people in his physical proximity or "what is socially acceptable in Sweden" - which is a weird statement anyway because like everywhere, Sweden has it's far right and far left and everything in-between as well, you can't just say that Pewdiepie respresents the general way Swedish people think and behave in whatever context.

 

Considering that Pewds is an international channel and that he has been targeting an international audience since he started doing Youtube, I don't see how him being Swedish should be used as an excuse for everything he does either. There has been some fuss about Jordan Peterson in mainstream outlets like Dagens Nyheter and Svenska Dagbladet so he could have heard about Peterson from one of those publications, but I don't think that's where Pewds found out about him from. 

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you are boring me with your shilling attempt. I did watch the whole video, I forgot most of it because it made shit points. 

what the left is doing, it is surrendering all the power to the alt right. In just two weeks, pewdiepie is a white supremacist, the ok sign is a white supremacy sign now, CLOWNS are too. 

It wouldnt shock me if blinking is a white supremacist symbol as well, so we all proceed to tape our eyes open. 

 

oh god, you are a destiny fan. Please gish gallop away from me.

 

woah woah there, don't start heading down that slippery slope, whiteknight-chan. you might trip and fall(acy)

also stated before that I don't think he's a nazi or white supremacist but thanks for twisting my words

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So apparently a court in New Delhi has ruled that youtube must take down PDP's video for making disparaging and defamatory remarks. 

I agree with this. PDP called the country "poopy heads".... now ok before you say "poopy heads" is a child's insult so that means it's clearly sarcastic - that doesn't make it okay. Just like his "death to all jews" and also just like pranksters doing/saying a load of shit then saying "it's all a joke bro".... that's not the only thing that matters. You can't say these people are all shit.... hey just a joke bros. You can't say black people something something (I don't even want to give an example), and then say "ho hum, well obviously it was just a joke". The only people you can call a bad name and it not be an insult are your friends, you can call them "bitch", "idiot" or the n-word if they're okay with it. You can't call an entire nation of people a bad name.  

It's hard for me to believe PDP doesn't understand such a basic concept. Rather I think he's using it as another controversy to keep the drama going. He is essentially a troll at this point.  

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I gotta ask lol

is there a specific reason people cape so hard for Pewdiepie on this website? Not saying it’s not allowed but I just wouldn’t expect it on THIS site of them all lol. Reddit, yeah, but PULL? I’m entertained by this subversion xD

 

I don’t think PDP is really a racist, antisemite, alt-right, etc. But what he is, is an edgelord who gets off of being offensive/inappropriate/“different” to begin with. And kind of an idiot for REPEATEDLY getting into the same type of controversies over... and over... and over. 

I used to like him. Until he used the N-word. I do believe he’s genuinely sorry for the things he does, but to be in your late 20s and STILL be using racial slurs and making racist signs to begin with makes me suspicious.

I know he was raised in Sweden, but he has lived in the UK for years & to still be so racially ignorant just... turned me off. I just stopped watching him & hope Marzia isn’t secretly doing the same things 🤷🏼‍♀️

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I gotta ask lol

is there a specific reason people cape so hard for Pewdiepie on this website? Not saying it’s not allowed but I just wouldn’t expect it on THIS site of them all lol. Reddit, yeah, but PULL? I’m entertained by this subversion xD

 

I don’t think PDP is really a racist, antisemite, alt-right, etc. But what he is, is an edgelord who gets off of being offensive/inappropriate/“different” to begin with. And kind of an idiot for REPEATEDLY getting into the same type of controversies over... and over... and over. 

I used to like him. Until he used the N-word. I do believe he’s genuinely sorry for the things he does, but to be in your late 20s and STILL be using racial slurs and making racist signs to begin with makes me suspicious.

I know he was raised in Sweden, but he has lived in the UK for years & to still be so racially ignorant just... turned me off. I just stopped watching him & hope Marzia isn’t secretly doing the same things 🤷🏼‍♀️

 

I feel like some of the people defending him who come into the thread randomly with no pfp are wk's. I think it's also because people don't read between the lines of some of the more sensationalist articles literally describing Felix as a nazi. There were articles that admittedly were too hasty to call him one outright and that's all some people see when they see criticisms of him now. But there are plenty of his critics who don't think he's an actual nazi. If you actually listen to and read those statements, particularly pewdiepipline guy's video, he does say multiple times that he doesn't think Felix is a full blown or legitimate fascist. But even mentioning the word "fascist" in relation to "pewdiepie", to pewdiepie fans, will make them turn heel and decry you because they automatically assume you think he's a full blown fascist. 

since I'm no longer a fan of his content I can't really say I relate to their cognitive dissonance, but I understand why they have cognitive dissonance. People who are overzealously fans of him don't like the idea of him being criticized, and they want to hold him in high regard. He is a human who makes mistakes, but some people elevate him to such a level as a YT celebrity that they can no longer view him as being on the same level as everyone else. Therefore a lot of his fans block their ears to criticism because they overwhelmingly don't want to admit he's not perfect, and blame the SJW LEFT for ~demonizing prewcuious felix uwu~. Idol worship.

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Look I want to understand everyone's perspective but I've watched him probably daily for at least a year now and it's all been memes basically. I simply don't see how "edgelords" turn radical from the content he has been posting lately. And even if I kinda feel like that's not pdp's responsibility. Recommending that channel without checking was super dumb but to me I believe it was simply a mistake. Anyway I just want to understand all sides so please try change my view. 

 

This dissertation isn't really pointed towards you in particular, but anyone who thinks jokes are just "harmless fun." 

Desensitization happens in two main ways: the first being the most well-known and common, showing the material over and over again, until you stopped being shocked by it. The second is humor. You ever step into a room or a house that smelled just awful, but after a couple of hours or days staying there, you stop noticing that awful smell? That's called going noseblind, and its the same thing. 

A lot of people argue that humor is the less-effective method of making people noseblind towards awful things, but I'd argue that it's the most effective. The French and Russian Revolutions became more and more radicalized through humor and satire. At first, people were just cracking jokes at how "lol XDDD so funny" it was that upper-class men were all fops and totes gay because of that, and how upper-class women were all gold-digging, gossiping good-for-nothing whores. Less than five decades later, people were chopping people's heads off or gunning down their innocent children to death out of rage. Even the Holocaust and WWII started with just jokes. It started with "lol XDDD so funny" greedy ugly Jews hoard all the sheckles from us and make us poor, and twenty years later people were okay with exterminating an entire race (which soon devolved into just anyone that wasn't straight or white). If you're curious about the role humor played in radicalizing Germans before the Holocaust, I recommend watching Cabaret the musical. 

Now, I am in no way saying that everyone who consumes media with edgy or racist jokes will become someone that's okay with killing another person. I am no way saying that everyone who consumes media with edgy or racist jokes will become a Nazi, a radical anarchist, or a communist. However, sometimes humor makes us nosebind to the feelings and the humanity of the people we're laughing at. 

Remember when you were in elementary school, and everyone picked on the kid that didn't really harm anyone in any way but was just a little weird? Maybe he stuttered, maybe he was autistic, maybe he liked something girly; it didn't matter. Maybe you didn't go as far as to full-on bully him like the other kids, but you probably made a couple of mean jokes at his expense. Why? Because everyone else made fun of him, and you felt it was okay to make fun of him too.

What about high school, where there was that one slightly chubby girl who other people insisted was a dumb slut despite there being no evidence of her sleeping around (not that it would matter; it's the 21st century, women and men should be allowed to sleep with as many consensual partners as they want without being slut-shamed by some hoity-toity pearl-clutching buzzkill. Nuclear war could happen tomorrow; don't live your life by someone else's standards. Carpe Diem guys, in the actual, original meaning of the phrase). Just like with the awkward boy, maybe you didn't go as far as to harass her on campus, but maybe you left a mean comment on her Facebook or Insta saying how "she should be skinny with all that sex she's having." Why? Because everyone else made fun of her, so what's the harm in you doing the same thing?

You can deny it all you want, but humans are extremely social animals. We learn from each other. As babies, we copy what our parents or siblings do in order to lean social cues or basic functions. That doesn't just stop once we stop being children. Whether it be good or bad behaviors, we are always picking up things from the people around us. This is especially true when you're a teenager that's desperate to fit in. You can say, "the edgy jokes as just harmless jokes! There's no harm in jokes," but let me ask you: How many times have you been genuinely hurt by a supposedly "harmless" joke in your life? 

How many times has someone told you to "go kill yourself," only to backpedal and give a half-assed apology about how it was a joke, and yet, you still couldn't shake that feeling of hurt no matter how hard you tried?

How many times has someone made fun of an aspect of your culture you held dear, only for them to give a nonchalant apology about how it was just a joke, and yet, you still couldn't shake that feeling of hurt?

How many times has someone made fun of something you really like, only for them to scoff and tell you it was just a joke, and yet, you still couldn't shake that feeling of hurt and could never bring yourself to do that thing you liked in public again?

Just as jokes have the potential to make us laugh and brighten our day, they also have the potential to really hurt someone in ways we might not ever see. Every joke, no matter how sterile you might think it is, has this potential, and you need to be aware of this -- ESPECIALLY if you're a comedian. 

 To deny this is to deny the power of language. Friendships begin and end with words. Romance begins and ends with words. Wars begin and end with words. Langauge powers the machine of humanity today, and always has. If you don't believe the power words can have, I encourage you to ask an older person who looks like they're having a bad day for their ID the next time you're at work, or complement someone's fashion choice if they look kinda sad when you're out next time. Watch them instantly brighten up and face the day with more confidence. 

My point is, we all live a short, miserable existence in this miserable society, and we shouldn't be trying to make each other's existences more miserable than it has to be. If you make a joke, and you realize you hurt someone, and that wasn't your intention, apologize. If they decide not to forgive you, oh well. If people decide to still harp on you for that joke 10 years down the road, oh well. No one is obligated to give you anything, and that includes them forgiving you and forgetting your problematic past. The important thing is you owned up and STOP making the mistake that landed you in hot water in the first place. As someone who's older than me and had more time to figure life out, I'd expect Pewds to know that, but it looks like he still has more learning to do. 

tl;dr treat others the way you wanna be treated

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This dissertation isn't really pointed towards you in particular, but anyone who thinks jokes are just "harmless fun." 

Desensitization happens in two main ways: the first being the most well-known and common, showing the material over and over again, until you stopped being shocked by it. The second is humor. You ever step into a room or a house that smelled just awful, but after a couple of hours or days staying there, you stop noticing that awful smell? That's called going noseblind, and its the same thing. 

A lot of people argue that humor is the less-effective method of making people noseblind towards awful things, but I'd argue that it's the most effective. The French and Russian Revolutions became more and more radicalized through humor and satire. At first, people were just cracking jokes at how "lol XDDD so funny" it was that upper-class men were all fops and totes gay because of that, and how upper-class women were all gold-digging, gossiping good-for-nothing whores. Less than five decades later, people were chopping people's heads off or gunning down their innocent children to death out of rage. Even the Holocaust and WWII started with just jokes. It started with "lol XDDD so funny" greedy ugly Jews hoard all the sheckles from us and make us poor, and twenty years later people were okay with exterminating an entire race (which soon devolved into just anyone that wasn't straight or white). If you're curious about the role humor played in radicalizing Germans before the Holocaust, I recommend watching Cabaret the musical. 

Now, I am in no way saying that everyone who consumes media with edgy or racist jokes will become someone that's okay with killing another person. I am no way saying that everyone who consumes media with edgy or racist jokes will become a Nazi, a radical anarchist, or a communist. However, sometimes humor makes us nosebind to the feelings and the humanity of the people we're laughing at. 

Remember when you were in elementary school, and everyone picked on the kid that didn't really harm anyone in any way but was just a little weird? Maybe he stuttered, maybe he was autistic, maybe he liked something girly; it didn't matter. Maybe you didn't go as far as to full-on bully him like the other kids, but you probably made a couple of mean jokes at his expense. Why? Because everyone else made fun of him, and you felt it was okay to make fun of him too.

What about high school, where there was that one slightly chubby girl who other people insisted was a dumb slut despite there being no evidence of her sleeping around (not that it would matter; it's the 21st century, women and men should be allowed to sleep with as many consensual partners as they want without being slut-shamed by some hoity-toity pearl-clutching buzzkill. Nuclear war could happen tomorrow; don't live your life by someone else's standards. Carpe Diem guys, in the actual, original meaning of the phrase). Just like with the awkward boy, maybe you didn't go as far as to harass her on campus, but maybe you left a mean comment on her Facebook or Insta saying how "she should be skinny with all that sex she's having." Why? Because everyone else made fun of her, so what's the harm in you doing the same thing?

You can deny it all you want, but humans are extremely social animals. We learn from each other. As babies, we copy what our parents or siblings do in order to lean social cues or basic functions. That doesn't just stop once we stop being children. Whether it be good or bad behaviors, we are always picking up things from the people around us. This is especially true when you're a teenager that's desperate to fit in. You can say, "the edgy jokes as just harmless jokes! There's no harm in jokes," but let me ask you: How many times have you been genuinely hurt by a supposedly "harmless" joke in your life? 

How many times has someone told you to "go kill yourself," only to backpedal and give a half-assed apology about how it was a joke, and yet, you still couldn't shake that feeling of hurt no matter how hard you tried?

How many times has someone made fun of an aspect of your culture you held dear, only for them to give a nonchalant apology about how it was just a joke, and yet, you still couldn't shake that feeling of hurt?

How many times has someone made fun of something you really like, only for them to scoff and tell you it was just a joke, and yet, you still couldn't shake that feeling of hurt and could never bring yourself to do that thing you liked in public again?

Just as jokes have the potential to make us laugh and brighten our day, they also have the potential to really hurt someone in ways we might not ever see. Every joke, no matter how sterile you might think it is, has this potential, and you need to be aware of this -- ESPECIALLY if you're a comedian. 

 To deny this is to deny the power of language. Friendships begin and end with words. Romance begins and ends with words. Wars begin and end with words. Langauge powers the machine of humanity today, and always has. If you don't believe the power words can have, I encourage you to ask an older person who looks like they're having a bad day for their ID the next time you're at work, or complement someone's fashion choice if they look kinda sad when you're out next time. Watch them instantly brighten up and face the day with more confidence. 

My point is, we all live a short, miserable existence in this miserable society, and we shouldn't be trying to make each other's existences more miserable than it has to be. If you make a joke, and you realize you hurt someone, and that wasn't your intention, apologize. If they decide not to forgive you, oh well. If people decide to still harp on you for that joke 10 years down the road, oh well. No one is obligated to give you anything, and that includes them forgiving you and forgetting your problematic past. The important thing is you owned up and STOP making the mistake that landed you in hot water in the first place. As someone who's older than me and had more time to figure life out, I'd expect Pewds to know that, but it looks like he still has more learning to do. 

tl;dr treat others the way you wanna be treated

 

Hey I want to thank you for this amazing well thought out reply!

I feel like I myself also got desensitized to some things because of the internet but because my irl environment it didn't affect me as much as it may effect a big chunk of pdp's demographic. Through out my life and school years there was basically no bullying at all. In general my social groups were mostly open and accepting. The only things I was desensitized from when I was younger were jokes about my ethnicity (I'm half asian and joking about asians seemed to be something everyone just let slide) because I saw those jokes online, in movies, tv, etc. and irl people just did it with no regard about my feelings, I let it slide as well and tried to suppress how it made me feel. Another thing is how I viewed girls who had lot's of boyfriends. Because of the negativity around women like that online and in media I viewed them negative as well. As I became an adult my feelings regarding all that has changed. I'm just glad I never directly said anything to the girls I viewed negatively in high school or talked about them behind their backs. I'm grateful I was a coward back then lol.

While reading your reply I had this feeling; pdp has 'changed' but I feel like he only did because of the backlash and the media making these super negative articles about him with shocking headlines. I personally don't think he did because he understand what type of effect his actions truly can have. He understands it's bad but not the why and I think that's important. The same with this whole pdp vs t-series and the lyrics in his songs about Indians. It really highlights what's truly important to him and that is freedom of speech. Yes that's important but do you really want to hurt people? I saying Indians are poopoo in their brains that important of a statement it just has to be said? What's morally right? 

I still don't think pdp is a bad person or doesn't truly feel sorry for the things he apologized for, I kinda feel the same way as I did before. He's stupid. 

Also back to the edgelords radicalizing. I feel like they do because the internet is a cesspool of ugly that's accessible with a few clicks. Pdp is a small part of that problem. But that's just my opinion.

Anyway thank you for sharing your perspective! 

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The same with this whole pdp vs t-series and the lyrics in his songs about Indians. It really highlights what's truly important to him and that is freedom of speech. Yes that's important but do you really want to hurt people? I saying Indians are poopoo in their brains that important of a statement it just has to be said? What's morally right? 

 

I mean, is that necessarily a bad thing for him to consider freedom of speech important? I think it's a valid concern, and there's nothing about him or his position as a Youtuber that necessitates that he does things that are "morally correct." Moreover, with that phrase in particular, "Indians have poopoo in their brains" is such a childish, silly statement that was obviously made in jest. It's so silly that people are spinning around in circles over it, and calling it racist. Is it insensitive? MAYBE, but even then, it's a stretch. It's just so dumb and nonsensical that trying to attribute anything to it is immature in and of itself. He even admitted as much in his video with Boyinaband, who helped craft the lyrics to the song: the whole point of the line is to state something so stupid it couldn't possibly be taken seriously

I do think there is validity to people saying that his content can act as a vector for radicalization, even though I personally think that's a bit overblown. Maybe back when he was making Nazi-oriented jokes, or when he was pandering hard to conservative / Brexit oriented audiences. And he certainly still has a lot of fans on the right. But these days, his content is fairly tame. His jokes still trend toward edginess, but no more than the majority of the internet. If anything, I would argue his affiliation with figures like Ben Shapiro are probably the most problematic bits, and even then, I don't think he takes the "affiliation" seriously. When compared to actual cretins on the internet, who actually support radicalization of far-right extremism, or are actually spewing racist/sexist/homophobic bile on the daily, Pewds is super simple by comparison. 

Therefore a lot of his fans block their ears to criticism because they overwhelmingly don't want to admit he's not perfect, and blame the SJW LEFT for ~demonizing prewcuious felix uwu~. Idol worship.

 

I do think this is one big thing that's kind of obnoxious about the Pewdiepie fanbase. I consider myself a fan of Felix, and I like his content. But a lot of his fans are really stupid, and hate anything that talks about how perfect Pewds isn't. And it gets really stupid, because Pewds does make errors and gaffs, and they are pretty bad, and he does deserve to be called out on it. He also should do the mature thing and apologize if he crosses the line, and he always has; whether people accept him for those apologies is a different issue entirely. 

But at the same time, there's a LOT of bullshit posted regularly about Pewds, so it's easy to get angry assuming the media is misrepresenting him, because they so often do. This article just came out the other day from some journalistic outlet, a hit-piece that is so blatantly biased against him it's almost laughable. But when the guy gets rightfully called out for posting yellow journalism, he backtracks and insists that he "wrote a satirical piece." Even though his outlet doesn't post satire... and even though in the immediate next sentences he says AGAIN that Pewds is a racist; he's literally calling Pewds a racist in a tweet where he's apologizing for calling Pewds a racist. How dense do you get? 

I think there's a lot of legitimate criticisms that one can level toward Pewdiepie. But because of his clout and his prominence, rarely do people actually level those criticisms. Instead, they go to the furthest extremes against him, trying to get him banned off youtube, calling him all manner of horrible things, ignoring his statements and apologies, moving the goalposts on him any time they do accept what he said, and constantly holding hugely unreasonable expectations toward him. 

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I mean, is that necessarily a bad thing for him to consider freedom of speech important? I think it's a valid concern, and there's nothing about him or his position as a Youtuber that necessitates that he does things that are "morally correct." Moreover, with that phrase in particular, "Indians have poopoo in their brains" is such a childish, silly statement that was obviously made in jest. It's so silly that people are spinning around in circles over it, and calling it racist. Is it insensitive? MAYBE, but even then, it's a stretch. It's just so dumb and nonsensical that trying to attribute anything to it is immature in and of itself. He even admitted as much in his video with Boyinaband, who helped craft the lyrics to the song: the whole point of the line is to state something so stupid it couldn't possibly be taken seriously

 

Oh yeah I mostly agree with you. I don't think his intentions were ever to just hurt people especially with that dumb lyrics line. It's just that he either doesn't consider that some people will still take it seriously or he does consider it but doesn't care anymore (I think the latter and I personally don't think that's problematic). I also can't blame the Indians that take it seriously. I guess I'm mostly neutral on this. I see both sides. 

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He posted a new video

Thoughts?

I'm personally glad it's gonna be over. 

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He posted a new video

Thoughts?

I'm personally glad it's gonna be over. 

 

Just because he claims to be ending it won't mean it will end. His fans will continue doing it with or without his consent. Just how memes and the Internet work. 

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honest i couldn't help but feel sad. it's true that a lot of positivity was spread b/c of the meme, but the horrible few have killed it completely. thinking about pewds channel from the beginning, where he was just a dude screaming while playing videogames, and to see how he is now (not b/c of the memes, but all the controversy constantly surrounding his channel), its kind of depressing. i don't think he ever thought things would spiral out of control like this. 

props to felix for making a proper statement, but from this point on his actions still need to reflect his words. 

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