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General Venus Angelic Thread #3

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I wouldn't doubt it if Venus did use Manaki to get away from Margo, but she wasn't thinking long term what she'd d once she'd get out of Marg's grasp. Run a YT channel? She burned it into the ground, now she's too lazy (drunk?) to film instead she livestreams. Get a job/go to school? She'd have to give up her dreams of e-fame and she probably doesn't want to go to work or school anyway, she doesn't want to grow up. Seek help? We already saw how terrible the doctor she had was to give her benzos, she pushed away most if not all the friends she had left, including Manaki and his family. Divorce Manaki? She'd probably end up getting deported out of Japan, back to SKorea maybe, and eventually back into Margo's clutches which is exactly what she wanted since Venus ran away. She'd be admitting defeat and that everything she did was for nothing, meanwhile Margo would pull the 'Mother always knows best' card and continue abusing her where nobody can come save her the way Manaki did.

Both Venus and Manaki are stuck between a rock and a hard place, but Venus has already hit rock bottom with a pickaxe and she's ready to keep digging. Manaki, by the sound of it, wants Venus to become a normal person by leaving her internet persona behind, but because she spent her entire life being Margo's doll it's all she knows. She doesn't have her own identity outside of trying to be a kawaii internet star. When confronted with that, she started spiraling out of control and now she's one massive mess of a human being trying to cling to whatever shred of fame she had left. In her head, it's not her fault, it's everyone else's because 'my mom ruined me' or 'Manaki won't let me do what I want' she doesn't take responsibility for herself when all her life someone else has told her what to do and shielded her from literally everything. Her friends and Manaki are tired of being responsible for a 22 year old woman with the mentality of a high school weeaboo. 

It's hard to say if Venus needs to get off the internet or seek serious help. She might be so far gone that any help would just result in her relapsing even harder into her old habits. Right now she's going down a dark path of looking online for people's comments to justify her warped self-hatred like "yes, this person hates me, I always knew I was terrible." 

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To put a voice of reason. Life is like a pendulum. Or a see saw. One minute it's all gone one way and the next it goes the other.

Right now, here it's all one way, we all despise Venus but oh we wish her no harm, but anyone who is not having the exact same mindset is a wk or a troll.

Sometimes someone has to be able to see both sides and try to maintain a balance, I am just hoping the pendulum can swing a little bit more back to the middle, or else this thread will no longer be a gossip thread but just a hate thread, and everyone all agreeing with each other because anyone who doesn't is jumped all over,

And what is the point of that? Surely a forum should express different viewpoints not all the same?

 

 

I'm probably late, but

There's no balance when one can't stop spilling about their own life in a thread about someone else. A lot of people here went through rough stuff and don't feel the need to constantly talk about it and derail. It is fine to include it in one comment here or there when it's relevant, but if you try to judge everyone's opinions (on a gossip forum no less) through your own feelings, it stops being productive (and also no one is actually here to give you advice or take care of you). PULL is one of the places that actually tries to give V advice on how to get better, but you make it sound like users want her dead idk.

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I'm shocked at how the tables have turned... Obviously only the people actually IN the relationship know what's going on, but DAMN! Manaki an abuser ? I doubt it. Of course I don't know him personally but in the videos he was featured in he looked shy and quiet rather than abusive in any form or shape.

And it saddens me that Venus is now blaming her mother for her own marriage to Manaki. Last time I checked the couple getting married had to do so out of their own free will... And while there are still arranged marriages out there, I'm sure her mother wouldn't have been able to force her signature on their marriage certificate... Venus seemed happy enough to get away from Korea and her mom and move in with Manaki back then.

Was Venus too young to get married ? Probably. But she's really acting like a spoiled brat throwing tamper tantrums, and has been for a while. She said she supported him financially. Well, news flash here: married couples support each other financially! They pay bills together, they buy stuff together, and usually the person with the bigger paycheck foots bills more often! No reason to act all high and mighty and as if she did him a favor. Without his love/adoration/attention (or whatever the relationship was build on on his side) she would never have been able to live in Japan.

In regards to her "not being anyone's doll anymore" (quote from her video): I remember someone saying that there was an "incident" (lack of better word here rn) where he asked her not to dress in Lolita in the countryside or something like that. This is speculation but maybe he wanted her to dress/act more grown-up in certain situations and she didn't like that.

While he certainly doesn't look it (damn those Asian genes!), he IS years older than her, has gone through Japanese school and works in a Japanese company, so he is definitely more mature and experienced in life than Venus. Her upbringing and past is not her fault of course, but she's going through mental puberty at the age of 22, while her (ex ?) husband has been a salary man with a steady job for years. I am not an expert on Japan but my experience with Japanese people/companies/society is that they expect people to follow their rules and meet their expectations (no matter how outdated those are at times). From what we know, Manaki tried to be as open minded as possible with these cultural settings in mind (it was said that he lets her experiment with girls and supported her with her YouTube career, pets, protected her from her mother, supported her recovery from her weight loss surgery issues etc.). It honestly makes me angry how she's been talking about him recently.

While I usually take whatever Margo says with a truck load of salt, I'm somewhat willing to believe her when she says that Venus used Manaki and now that he served his purpose she's dropping him.

 

yasssssssss preach it, i feel the same way, he didn't do anything wrong its just her being a child about it.Image result for preach gif

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I feel like everyone is arguing whether Venus or Manaki is abusive, but in reality, maybe they were both abusive to each other. The relationship could have been toxic overall.

Maybe it was this weird powerplay between both of them. For one thing, Venus ran straight from an abusive mother to an older fan who had liked her since she was a little girl, which is creepy enough on its own. She also went to a foreign country where she knew no one else and was not good at the language, which would have given him a lot of power over her. But then Venus seems like she might have emotional issues that could make her have poor behavior toward herself or others. Especially if she was an alcoholic while dating him, a lot of alcoholics don't treat friends or family members well when drunk. Now she's doing weird things like posting comments and videos accusing him of something but later going "haha just kidding... unless? 👀"

I guess we can never know the truth, both Venus and Manaki can say whatever they want about each other at this point but we don't know. We can't see what went on for all those years. But I do think Venus should go no-contact with Manaki if she's truly broken up with him and stop posting weird stuff on him. I don't feel like they're a good influence on each other's lives and her weird behavior toward Manaki isn't going to help her recover from whatever issues she's going through now. 

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Honestly, who wants to be friend with someone like Venus?

She seems to be an overwhelmed person. If you don't agree with her, you're evil. If you don't help her, you're evil. Feeling suicidal, speaking about it, and then, sabotage herself.

I don't blame Mikan, I bet she tried her best to help her but Venus was just an ass with her.

Manaki tried. And now she blames him. 

Freya is trying too, but it would end up like her relationship with Mikan. I follow her on Insta, and she doesn't mention Venus at all like before. 

She makes people run away from her.

She's breaking her relationship with "real" people because they try to change her and Kween Penus doesn't want to change. That's why she's on with her fans, because she doesn't know them personally and they can't change her IRL.

What a sad life... 

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I feel like everyone is arguing whether Venus or Manaki is abusive, but in reality, maybe they were both abusive to each other. The relationship could have been toxic overall.

 

It seems pretty clear from following them over the years that Manaki was her enabler and doormat. He worshipped her from afar as a kawaii princess and he rescued and protected her from her evil mother, enduring Marge’s attacks, smears and physical stalking. His kawaii princess turned out to be a mentally unstable manipulator who deceived and lied to him, even attacking him via SM exactly as her crazy mother had done. I think he finally had enough and bailed.

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I feel like everyone is arguing whether Venus or Manaki is abusive, but in reality, maybe they were both abusive to each other. The relationship could have been toxic overall.

Maybe it was this weird powerplay between both of them. For one thing, Venus ran straight from an abusive mother to an older fan who had liked her since she was a little girl, which is creepy enough on its own. She also went to a foreign country where she knew no one else and was not good at the language, which would have given him a lot of power over her. But then Venus seems like she might have emotional issues that could make her have poor behavior toward herself or others. Especially if she was an alcoholic while dating him, a lot of alcoholics don't treat friends or family members well when drunk. Now she's doing weird things like posting comments and videos accusing him of something but later going "haha just kidding... unless? 👀"

I guess we can never know the truth, both Venus and Manaki can say whatever they want about each other at this point but we don't know. We can't see what went on for all those years. But I do think Venus should go no-contact with Manaki if she's truly broken up with him and stop posting weird stuff on him. I don't feel like they're a good influence on each other's lives and her weird behavior toward Manaki isn't going to help her recover from whatever issues she's going through now. 

 

agreed. it is undeniable that manaki was a fan since she was a minor. it was never going to work out from the beginning. Venus was a weeb with a naive idea about japan, he was fan with otaku tendencies. its now spiraled into Venus’ mental problems, baggage and mini-marge antics making her completely unbearable. she never seriously committed to learning japanese, nor the culture and etiquette (the japanese not liking being the center of attention is like japanese behavior 101). 

also we cannot forget the gastric black market surgery venus’ dumbass got. that would put great strain on any relationship.

is there a chance manaki was abusive? probably. but because shes evolving into Margo and flat out lied about having to support him, I’m less than inclined to believe her. 

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So  if Manaki and Venus did seperate but are still legally married (if that is what happened) and don't live together anymore, is that going to affect her spouse visa?

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This is from ella freya's story. It seems she had plans with venus but then she cancelled them. But I don't understand why would she be proud of herself for doing so?

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This is from ella freya's story. It seems she had plans with venus but then she cancelled them. But I don't understand why would she be proud of herself for doing so?

I think it's because being a people pleaser it a bitch, and people like Venus are bad at understanding boundaries.
It's hard to tell a friend "Sorry, not today. I need space cuz' I'm going through shit too. Please don't be angry."
If you're a people pleaser, that's sacrilegious! But it's OK. It's self preservation, and everyone needs to master it.

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This is from ella freya's story. It seems she had plans with venus but then she cancelled them. But I don't understand why would she be proud of herself for doing so?

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She was proud of herself for puttin her own health / comfort first over other people and their "feelings". Instead of going through with the plans not to upset the other party, she cancelled and took care of herself.
Don't really know anything about her but, if she is the sort of being a people's pleasing and pushing her self to not lose face, it's normal she'd feel somehow proud of... idk, standing up for herself aha.

EDIT: Pretty much what Bitchplox said lol, didn't see her comment first OTL

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Looks like Ella sustained some injury(?) and had to cancel plans to heal. Heres to hoping Venus didn’t take it the wrong way. 

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Looks like Ella sustained some injury(?) and had to cancel plans to heal. Heres to hoping Venus didn’t take it the wrong way. 

 

No. Ella deals with chronic pain. I forget what exactly but she’s in constant pain despite medication and daily life is a struggle for her.

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If anything, this is just sad to watch. It's clear Venus has got some serious issues, which isn't surprising given her upbringing - I know she said she doesn't have BPD after all but I do believe it's still possible she has some sort of personality disorder, or possibly C-PTSD. Not to armchair diagnose but the way she's behaving (self-destructive behaviour, erratic moods, unstable sense of identity, attention-seeking) are all consistent with the symptoms of BPD or someone trying to cope with trauma. It's also not uncommon for people who've suffered emotional abuse in childhood to inadvertently learn those same manipulative behaviours from their parents, even if they recognise that they were treated wrongly.

Like, the way she's acting is 100% immature and unfair on the people in her life, but unfortunately the reality of trauma is that it often IS ugly and messy and difficult to recover from. She clearly doesn't know what's good for her - she's resorting to defense mechanisms she's likely learned from her mother (i.e. lashing out and blaming everyone else for her problems, most of which nowadays are the result of her own poor decision-making). Maybe she just assumes she's fine because she isn't super depressed right now, or something. I also suspect she's surrounding herself with people who are enabling this behaviour and distancing herself from anyone who tries to intervene or call her out on her bullshit - possibly even any therapists she's been seeing. IMO she needs to get some serious help and find a therapist who specialises in trauma and childhood abuse, but I don't know how easy that would be in Japan. The girl desperately needs an intervention because she clearly isn't willing or able to help herself at this point. 

TL;DR - anyone whiteknighting Venus or trying to act like there's nothing wrong with what she's doing is fucking stupid, but I also don't know how some people can like, look at a person having an obvious public breakdown in real time and take some kind of glee in her downfall either. I mostly just hope she gets the help she needs to properly recover and sort her life out, even if it means deleting all her social media accounts.

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I may be wrong so please correct me if I'm wrong, isn't BPD something that some medical professionals believe doesn't actually exist? Maybe Venus does have BPD but there isn't any Japanese professionals that will diagnose her with it. 

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