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General Venus Angelic Thread #3

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Uh huh.Here’s what doesn’t “line up with what Venus said” regarding Manaki quitting his job to live off Venus’s money:

>She said she didn't allow him to pay for her surgeries and hospital bill, and that both split the household bills.
>Both mentioned sleeping on separate bedrooms most of the time due his different work schedules.
>When that Margo stalking incident happened, he had just gotten off work and wearing his work overalls.
>She mentioned "feeling lonely cuz mana's working long shifts :'(" at least one time.
>Manaki's surprise birthday party video, recorded in may 2018 (and which she conveniently made private/deleted), she says she had to hurry up before he gets home from work.

Also- “poor abused Venus” hasn’t had any Youtube income for “Manaki to live on” for MONTHS now.

She’s lying. And desperate for money and Youtube views now that she doesn’t have MANAKI’S income to live off anymore.

You’re getting played.

 

Enjoy your handwringing and worrying about Poor Abused Venus. She’ll continue to supply you with ample opportunities for both, believe me.

 

I mean, this is worded quite harshly, but... That's the thing with BPD - everything is always black or white. Manaki is either an abusive, manipulating and horrible person or he is the poor, shy guy everyone should leave alone. Her stories will always be exaggerated to some degree.

One of my co-workers has BPD and she also contradicts herself all the time. One day she tells me about her favorite Indian restaurant and the next month she tells me how the food is not authentic and not good and she never goes there. It feels like talking to two different people at times. 

So what I'm trying to say is, the truth is almost always a little less extreme.

And dealing with someone who has BPD should include distancing yourself to a degree. I know it's hard, it's not actually fair, but this roller coaster like behavior is really taxing on your own mental health. 

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calling manaki a stlaker is not okay

 

You are right, it's not okay to call him a stalker. I edited it a little. But I stick to my point of view: It does look fishy if a fan follows you uninvited and you end up with a very hushed marriage. It's not right to call him her savior either.
But I wouldn't go as far as call him her savior if he might turn out as a margo 2.0. We don't know what is true. 

Maybe some time alone would do Venus some good. Without the internet as well. She lived first with her mother, then with her husband and maybe never had the time to figure out who she was as a person. Her character and personality were always crafted to please someone else if what she says is true. Either way, just lashing out at him while she still lives with him (?) or is at least married to him won't do her any good, it will release a shitstorm on him, even though nobody knows if the accusations are true. And it can endanger her if he gets attacked and she is not out of his reach. 

 

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I won't lie, I was taken aback when she said she was a masochist. But it makes sense I guess.

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The BDSM thing sounded 100% like a typical Venus joke to me.

Y'all think in part 2 she'll be like "but then he changed and now we're cool fam"?
There are so many holes in the stories right now, we need that part 2

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Regarding Venus having income without YouTube - she talked a while ago on Instagram about stock market investments and about the importance of understanding finances. She’s never seemed financially insecure, so I bet she has a reliable investment portfolio to help her through times without Adsense money.

 

In my opinion, I think Taylor is probably the one who helped her with this - she may seem vapid, but Taylor has talked about investing her Hong Kong modelling money in vlogs before, and her husband will definitely know about investing. They probably helped Venus set up that financial security net while they still lived in Japan.

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I don't want to blame every unusual thing Venus does on her mental disorders, since it feels kind of like I'm not taking her seriously as a person. Maybe she really does just want to post a bizarre video of her drinking wine and making a lot of allegations.

But...

Unfortunately people with disorders like BPD have a weird relationship with social media sometimes :( I have one friend who suffers from similar problems. She always posted normal photos of herself on instagram. But one day out of the blue, she posted a mirror pic of her in a VERY skimpy swimsuit. I know some girls like posting that stuff but it was so out of character for this friend. I felt really worried for her. Lo and behold, she deleted it a few hours later...

This almost reminds me of Venus. She seems like sometimes she becomes a wild cannon with social media and starts posting really bizarre and out of character stuff. Maybe this is the real her and she's showing it now. But I'm worried she's just having some kind of nervous breakdown and taking it out on the internet since it's all she's had her whole life. 

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I really hope she doesn't upload "Part 2".

I'm more interested in her exiting this downward spiral, than getting the tea.

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Agree, she’s half-assing this whole Youtube “comeback.” Can’t even be bothered to put on a little makeup for her big Comeback! video OR that fan meetup? Really, Venus?

She posted this on her insta story on Sunday night (here, 12 noon Monday there):

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Obviously it didn’t happen that night, and still hasn’t happened. And now the insta story post is gone. My guess is that it’s not going to happen at all, never to be spoken of again...just the latest in a long string of promises she’s made and not kept. Her remaining fans are a long-suffering bunch, that’s for sure.

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Here she is with all 5 of the girls who showed up for her meetup, also on her insta story which has now conveniently disappeared. I think she’s too embarrassed to post any videos of the sad event that no one showed up for, and it will not be spoken of again.

 

Poor Venus, she looks quite fed up in this pic with the other girls.  But even if she really did only want about ten people there, then eight turning up wasn't bad considering. In the pictures I saw, I didn't think much of the costume, mainly because of the wig, but maybe cosplay wigs are not meant to look too good?  

What I find sadder, is that for a long time some of us wondered if Manaki was the same stalker guy back from when she was only thirteen, but he seemed so nice, and Margaret said some things about him that were not nice, but then it came from Margaret, so..., !   Then Venus said something herself which made it sound he was being controlling,  so we wondered,  then some people were annoyed with her for showing him in a bad light, and also some of her fans started giving him  a hard time, so Venus had to backtrack and act like she was overreacting and it was a spur of the moment thing when she was feeling scratchy,  now it looks like all along he has been controlling,   maybe that is a cultural thing, life in Japan quite conservative etc,  but well, some men are like this anyway, they think it is their right as men to be in charge, like it's "Nature" an all, but Manaki seemed so cute and nice, and he might be, but it turns out he was being controlling all along, or at least as far as Venus sees it, and I have no reason to doubt that she is right.   Sadly, people often  somehow recreate the situation of their childhoods, even if unhappy because it is all that they have known and their subconscious  seems to work to draw again the same scenario to themselves.  (Of course, the whole Law of Attraction thing seems to explain this in metaphysical ways, but I'm not going to go into all of that.)

I'd still like to hear Manaki himself give his version of events and explain himself as to why he was obsessed with a thirteen yr old girl and just had to meet her,   but at least he waited until she was of age to have a relationship with her, at least I hope so.

But I feel so sad for them both, but especially Venus. But she has come out and talked about it at last so hopefully people will stop asking her about him now.  I hope she can now move forward from this and look after herself well and be her own best friend.

 

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If all of this is true, I wonder if Taylor knew anything about this tbh and if so, how much

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Ugh. Possible incoming unpopular opinion(s):

1. My mother is an alcoholic with a slew of mental illnesses (including, but not limited to PTSD from a troubled childhood, BPD or Borderline) and refuses to go to therapy. Watching Venus is honestly like watching my mother. My mother tends to be "push and pull" with people and will tell you one moment that someone is great and amazing and in the next that this person is an abusive asshole (and has lied about this). 

What am I trying to say? As much as I want to believe that Venus isn't lying, I have to take it with a grain of salt. Sorry, but when someone is as mentally unstable as her and based on my personal experience living with someone who is similar (from what I can see via the internet), I think it's unacceptable to jump to conclusions without evidence, without researching the situation further. Abuse is a major allegation and should not be taken lightly. But Venus has lied in the past. I don't trust her. I think she has ulterior motives. I'm not saying I don't believe her, but c'mon...

2. She needs to get help. Proper help. But she won't get it herself if she stays in the situation where she is now.

3. Many people have fucked up childhoods, but get help or learn how to cope, etc... Sorry, but I don't have much sympathy. Everyone is always so "Im so worried!!" And then a week later "she seems to be doing better!" And then she pulls a stunt because she's unstable and/or for attention and then it's "Im so worried!" All over again. Maybe I'm more rigid and bitter because my childhood was also messed up, but I mean at some point, you need to get your shit together. I of course hope hop gets better and understand it's not easy, but this isn't how you can sustainably go through life. And it makes me facepalm whenever people fall into her cycle of "woe me, Im doing better for realz, my life sucks, everything's good" etc etc.

4. If she went back back to Europe, namely Germany, she'd need to go to school as others have said. But she doesn't want that life. She doesn't work as a cashier at Lidl for the rest of her life scanning cheese and apples for old grannies. 

Venus is a major facepalm for me. Look, she makes this video and knows people will talk. And see how many pages have been filled now within just 24 hours...

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i feel like people here would normally be a little supportive of this video, especially if it was a cathartic moment for her.

actually most youtubers who make videos like this usually receive a ton of support

but since recently shes been telling others to stop bringing up manaki, and mentioned how she would make her channel more private, and how her therapist most likely recommended her to keep her personal life more private, this video and uploading part 2 really isnt the best thing for her right now. I feel like if she REALLY wanted to discuss these things for that emotional release, if she had put the drink away and organized her thoughts and made the video a little more formal instead of how it looks now, it would be way better.

 

I honestly didn't think she seemed drunk. It's a conundrum. People have been asking about Manaki for so long and annoyed that she won't talk about him, and now she has.... I guess they (we) wanted to hear that they were still together and that everything was ok between them, and it isn't and it is a disappointment to find that confirmed.

Also, mental health problems can cause people to constantly contradict themselves , and even to sometimes appear as though they are drunk or on drugs even when they aren't , if anyone has ever experienced any of Daniel Cilley's ramblings on Youtube, he is totally against drinking and drug taking but , well, words fail me there,  LOL  , but the poor guy is so obviously suffering from some kind of mental condition but a band of followers who can't stop watching , and who some at least care about what happens to him but keep watching out of a kind of horrified fascination and I hope Venus is not heading in the same direction, I don't think she is, I think  she is a long way off that, but it was an extreme example anyway . I think she looks beautiful in the video.

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What a Hella drama lama!!

This girl need to do something ASAP with her life or she'll end up like Mayo.. Or worse.. 

Anyway, I kinda trust her in this video. I don't think that Manaki is 100% an angel. 

He's just a weird pedo guy having a kink over a European weeboo teen acting like a cringey anime character. Plus Venus is an easy target for puppeteering her, he just finished what Mayo did to get what he wanted.

And speaking about her, she can easily notice than manaki is evil but not her? You can easily recognize someone's weird comportement when you have the same one.

I remember this video when Venus "escaped" again and lived with Mikan. This is the period where she started deleting things with Manaki.

Venus also need really good friends despite her non social skills. It's not that hard when you find the right person and you learn to be better in this.

Before meeting my bf, I wasn't able to speak in group conversations, too shy, too "weird". He pushed me to new people, these people had the patience for me, and now I'm zbld to speak in public or make new friends without badly speaking, heavily blush and avoiding eye contact.

Therapy, good supports, stable health and money condition, less social media is the key dear Venus. 

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Whether or not Venus lied about Mana, is irrelevant. Let's face it: None of us know all of the facts. No matter what side of the fence we sit on. All we can do sit back, speculate, share our opinions, and *civily* debate our disagreements.

The point is: there are better ways to process relationship issues, seperation, or divorce. 

This exhibition has accomplished nothing, other than temporary catharsis, and stirring the pot. I wouldn't even call this genuine catharsis, due the lack emotional regulation. This wasn't emotional release, it was an emotional collapse. This honestly looks like another BPD breakdown. 

And if that opinion is true, she needs professional help, more than transparency with the internet.

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To be honest in Germany and probably the Netherlands you have to at least get the second diploma (the one after 10th grade) here to get a decent job. Without even having the diploma after 9th grade she literally has zero chances to find a job. She could be lucky in having a job in Germany nobody wants to do, but it would be paid really bad and would have horrible conditions. Also didn't she grew up in Switzerland? There she would have better chances to get a higher paid job without a diploma or could get one more easily considering she knows the system and the swiss education system doesn't exclude one from studing even if you have the 10th grade diploma and not the high school one. But I agree that the cutural barrier could be too much for her and that she should rather live in Europe

 

(Sorry I'm a bit late) As a Swiss person, I wouldn't say her chances are any better. The issue is that, sure, you might earn a lot more for the same job here compared to Germany, but food, insurance (which is compulsory) and housing prices are jacked up too so you won't get far with it. Add in the cost of healthcare (which for some reason is much more expensive than neighbouring countries) and if she ever decides to start therapy, it's rarely going to be covered by insurance. (Fortunately, some programs subsidize part of the cost though).

 

You're right in that if she finished obligatory school (2 years kindergarten, 6 years primary school and 3 years secondary) she technically could access adult formations and try to get a diploma that way. Problem is that most cantons don't recognize homeschooling as a valid form of education. In the cantons that do allow it, most if not all options require formal education or a proof of equivalency. Considering Margo, I have no idea if Venus even has a proper one... :S (I'm not sure about the law because her case is pretty unique and her situation is mostly speculation.)

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(Sorry I'm a bit late) As a Swiss person, I wouldn't say her chances are any better. The issue is that, sure, you might earn a lot more for the same job here compared to Germany, but food, insurance (which is compulsory) and housing prices are jacked up too so you won't get far with it. Add in the cost of healthcare (which for some reason is much more expensive than neighbouring countries) and if she ever decides to start therapy, it's rarely going to be covered by insurance. (Fortunately, some programs subsidize part of the cost though)

I know that everything is more expensive in Switzerland but in Germany 52 percent of your income goes to the government, while healthcare gets more expensive every year and the prices for flats go up pretty fast too, that's why I think all in all she would still earn a little more money in Switzerland in the end while having a more "simpler" job and her life quality would be better there. (No shame to anyone, who has such a job. Jobs like this are essential.) I don't think she eats so much that it could be really expensive and she grew up there and knows the culture. In Germany she would probably stand out due to her accent and sometimes words aren't the same in Swiss German and High German and maybe she would feel left out. Also to even get a cashier job in Germany she would have to have at least the 10th grade diploma and she doesn't even have the 9th one. Getting a diploma not in the regular time is really hard in Germany and you have to have a job to have the possibility to do the diplomas. Also most likely once you are at the "bottom of the society" you can hardly get up anymore and you would need a lot of time in Germany. And depending on the insurance "only" two years of theraphy are being covered by it and getting appointments with a theraphist is really hard right now. 

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