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a dating scandal isn't a means to some end of "weeding out" these "delusional fans," as you said, real people could be endangered. outing members' relationships aren't going to make sasaengs or even just angry/disagreeable people disappear, 

you'd think they'd get louder [?]. not even considering those physical concerns to safety, mental/emotional demands would deter most anyone is this situation from seeing someone *

 

* not to mention the obvious affects on bangtans' careers: idols are marketed as "available" in order to build an artificial relationship with consumers, creating an illusion (especially to impressionable, oftentimes young fans) that they are as accessible as the people in the fans' personal lives. ultimately, these consumers "buy in[to]" idols both emotionally and literally (i.e., $$$)

 

Exactly. Dating scandals might serve as means to weed out obsessed fans for bands like 1D (although there were consequences when the dating news came out, it wasn't anything serious) but it's a whole different story for idol groups. Like you said, idol culture doesn't work that way. The backlash is much more severe and can seriously hurt idols. I'm not saying that just because Michelle hasn't been a fan for too long she can't have her own opinions but I don't think she knows enough about kpo or idol culture to make statements like these.

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I don't know if it's just me but this is the first time in a thread where people care more about whether she's a fan or not than the message of the content? I know people have speculated in other thread's (like Kenna's) whether or not she's a "true" fan of something but I think that it doesn't what you do, you can still be a genuine fan of someone or something. 

It seems like whenever there is a situation involving her videos about them, there always seems to be people who have been fans longer or know everything in the sun, trying to use the fact that she may not know one thing about them to delegitimize her stance. 

I just don't think the fact that she hasn't been a fan as long or doesn't know everything under the sun doesn't mean she doesn't have any less right to my opinion videos or things of that nature. Whether it's a proper opinion video or criticism isn't up to me though but I think the fact that people have to consider her a "real" fan or not because she may be talking about a hot button topic doesn't make sense to me. Unless I'm interperting something wrong.

 

i completely agree her content ought to be judged based on message, regardless of whether she is a "real" fan or "fake" fan. and similarly, i do not believe length of time someone is a fan determines whether or not their "fan-ness" is "real" or "fake" 

regardless, i do dislike when people give opinions that are misguided or under-researched (e.g., michelle claiming bangtan needs a "music video that's just animation," even though such music video exists), as this does actually delegitimize premises. 

she is totally 💯% justified in having opinions, but her opinions themselves are just not always justified. this can be especially frustrating since michelle broadcasts to a large audience, and thereby "gatekeeps" a lot of information for impressionable, perhaps equally "newer" fans

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i completely agree her content ought to be judged based on message, regardless of whether she is a "real" fan or "fake" fan. and similarly, i do not believe length of time someone is a fan determines whether or not their "fan-ness" is "real" or "fake" 

regardless, i do dislike when people give opinions that are misguided or under-researched (e.g., michelle claiming bangtan needs a "music video that's just animation," even though such music video exists), as this does actually delegitimize premises. 

she is totally 💯% justified in having opinions, but her opinions themselves are just not always justified. this can be especially frustrating since michelle broadcasts to a large audience, and thereby "gatekeeps" a lot of information for impressionable, perhaps equally "newer" fans

 

I think it's a bit of a reach to say that a misinformed opinion lends weight to the fact that she's "gatekeeping" information to "impressionable" fans. How can you gatekeep information you don't know? And it's not as if google doesn't exist. Both parties have a responsibility for checking information. But it's still an opinion and opinions can be wrong logically,etc.  

I feel like people are giving her too much power like she's the Mom of the fanbase or something. If her opinion was based on the fact that she didn't know a certain type of information then that's what it is at the end of the day. That shouldn't give leverge to whether she's a true fan or not (therefore exploiting them). 

I'm saying it feels like a lot of the critism that I've seen is basically "She made xyz mistake in her opinion, so we don't know if she's a real fan or not". 

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Okay, so I chose my words poorly.  I originally said she was a clout chaser but that was rude. I just wish she wouldn’t choose such click bait like titles and then have generally tame videos.  Like, I feel she could make her point another way.

I’m not on board with stan twitter’s harassment though. 

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Stan culture is toxic. I might have been a bit salty regarding her getting a sponsorship from bighit. I rewatched the video again and it's not even really an unpopular video tbh. Her opinions are pretty uncontroversial and reasonable I guess ugh 🙃 I admit I kinda have a love/hate relationship with michelles content.

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I think it's a bit of a reach to say that a misinformed opinion lends weight to the fact that she's "gatekeeping" information to "impressionable" fans. How can you gatekeep information you don't know? And it's not as if google doesn't exist. Both parties have a responsibility for checking information. But it's still an opinion and opinions can be wrong logically,etc.  

I feel like people are giving her too much power like she's the Mom of the fanbase or something. If her opinion was based on the fact that she didn't know a certain type of information then that's what it is at the end of the day. That shouldn't give leverge to whether she's a true fan or not (therefore exploiting them). 

I'm saying it feels like a lot of the critism that I've seen is basically "She made xyz mistake in her opinion, so we don't know if she's a real fan or not". 

 

can someone not play the role of "gatekeeper" to (un?)reliable information? rumors and false information can become viral when, as you pointed out, unchecked. "gatekeepers" decide which information will go forward and which will not by regulating its flow, regardless of whether that information is "true"

she obviously isn't slandering this group, 

nor is her influence all-powerful. perhaps my word choice was poor, considering michelle is certainly not the only person releasing information about this group, nor does her "reach" extend to everyone in the fan community. in my opinion, it would also be unfair to say she has zero impact, all the same

as mentioned before, she can broadcast her opinions. although, in an age where "unpopular opinions" often time become factual or undisputed within communities, 🤷🤷🤷🤷🤷 i don't know maybe we need a review that rates of accuracy of claims by korean music youtubers, much like political fact-checking sites for american politics lmao (((joke)))

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can someone not play the role of "gatekeeper" to (un?)reliable information? rumors and false information can become viral when, as you pointed out, unchecked. "gatekeepers" decide which information will go forward and which will not by regulating its flow, regardless of whether that information is "true"

she obviously isn't slandering this group, 

nor is her influence all-powerful. perhaps my word choice was poor, considering michelle is certainly not the only person releasing information about this group, nor does her "reach" extend to everyone in the fan community. in my opinion, it would also be unfair to say she has zero impact, all the same

as mentioned before, she can broadcast her opinions. although, in an age where "unpopular opinions" often time become factual or undisputed within communities, 🤷🤷🤷🤷🤷 i don't know maybe we need a review that rates of accuracy of claims by korean music youtubers, much like political fact-checking sites for american politics lmao (((joke)))

 

Because it's literally not that deep lol 

No one is going to take her opinions as fact because they're opinions? Who cares if her opinions are factually incorrect they're only opinions? She isn't BTS' PR team. It seems you just don't like her opinions and that's fine but don't act as if she's destroying careers because she didn't know bts had an animated video. 

Oh no some new BTS fans don't know that they have a certain type of video out...BTS is gonna disband now because Michelle uploaded a video with her opinion that wasn't fact checked in it omg. Darn Michelle and her un-fact-checked opinion!  

BTS,  look out Michelle is coming with her un-fact-checked opinion. Oh my God they can't hear us, they have airpods in. 

I could care less if an unpopular opinion is fact-checked or not because it's just an opinion.  Why does an opinion have to be accurate? The reach is astounding. 

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Because it's literally not that deep lol 

No one is going to take her opinions as fact because they're opinions? Who cares if her opinions are factually incorrect they're only opinions? She isn't BTS' PR team. It seems you just don't like her opinions and that's fine but don't act as if she's destroying careers because she didn't know bts had an animated video. 

Oh no some new BTS fans don't know that they have a certain type of video out...BTS is gonna disband now because Michelle uploaded a video with her opinion that wasn't fact checked in it omg. Darn Michelle and her un-fact-checked opinion!  

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I could care less if an unpopular opinion is fact-checked or not because it's just an opinion.  Why does an opinion have to be accurate? The reach is astounding. 

 

me thinking some of her opinions are inaccurate = me thinking she is destroying careers [???]

um.........reach [?????]

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maybe it's more dalcomsoft's choice than bighits? 

 

I'm sure it's Dalcomsoft's as well, no chance the offer came from Big Hit. Superstar BTS was published on YT Dalcomsoft channel on the 7th of January.

She went to Korea a couple of weeks before. I don't think she was invited, she flew Air China, cheap and affordable choice. But I'm quite sure she broaded her connections there.

Why do I care? I don't know. I used to be a devoted follower of Michelle but now there is something I don't get. I mean, it's totally ok to change and accept sponsors, the point is that Michelle is skillful, talented, and a smart manipulator in delivering contents.

The whole saesang story. Someting was off, the interview seemed true as well as the fact that she didn't dislike completely the idea to get BTS pics by saesangs or else going deeper into that world. I'm disgusted by those people and I would never browsing IG or YT trying to find saesang content so probably that's why I'm on two minds about her.

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I love her content. But there's so much bts stuff now, since I'm not a kpop fan I'm super bored. She used to make fun of kpop fans and now she's just as obsessed as your usual listener. 

She reminds me of myself. Once I got into my 20s, I went back to being a full on anime fan and went back to listening to Japanese bands. It's like a second "weeabo" phase. 

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I love her content. But there's so much bts stuff now, since I'm not a kpop fan I'm super bored. She used to make fun of kpop fans and now she's just as obsessed as your usual listener. 

She reminds me of myself. Once I got into my 20s, I went back to being a full on anime fan and went back to listening to Japanese bands. It's like a second "weeabo" phase. 

 

Same, I like BTS but gosh she gives us so much BTS stuff that i could go a long time without seeing anymore. I don't mind a few K-pop videos here and there but god give us a B R E A K.

OT but i've also started to get more into J-pop bands again and i feel like i'm going back in time with my music taste lololol

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looks like stan twitter is trying to get rid of her. the video they used is of michelle talking about how she's irked about bts' insistence on putting sunscreen on all the time and basically calls them colorist.

other than this, a lot of tweets are being made on why to cancel michelle. they all basically say that she calls them colorist, plagiarizers, twists their words, is obsessed with their dating life, sells expensive brooches, lied about the sasaeng interview, and is a "clout chaser".

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i see a lot of tweets saying "the sasaeng interview was proved to be fake" and after searching the internet for a bit, i couldn't find what "proof" they're talking about, other than the pull member here explaining that the accent does not sound turkish at all. 

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she also posted this on ig i think

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and this angered a lot of people because they think she's twisting the message of bts' love yourself concept. someone messaged michelle regarding this post and i included the screenshots below.

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apparently she went on a blocking spree

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Okay but tbh I think she's making the right choice. Don't get me wrong I unsubscribe from her because I've had enough bts content for the next 2 years but stan twitter just seems bored. Like.....if that's the worst thing happening in the fandom right now they need to Calm down ....

I find her tumblr rant stupid but I really don't think she's being malicious all those armies need a bath and some relaxing tea

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She seem obsessed with the her idea that BTS should be dating. Also loving yourself before loving someone else is a faulty concept? I'm sorry what. I'm too tired and don't know how to explain this but so many people try to find boyfriend or girlfriend for a hole in their heart they should fill with selflove. So many people who can't even make friends or build meaningful platonic relationships because they are still dealing with internal struggles are spending way too much time dating in dysfunctional draining relationships. Loving yourself is a long journey you'll go through your whole life. To love someone else you should love yourself as well. You'll fall for the wrong people if you don't have any self respect. I don't know how to explain this but it's a given you'll always be a little more critical of yourself. One period of your life you will accept your flaws and in a down moment you'll not be able to. It's natural. But it's important to not forget about self love. Especially in relationships with other people. Not saying you have to be at 90 percent self love to date but it's enough to be keeping it in mind. I feel like she taking that concept way too literal to push her views. I dunno man I don't agree with Armies trying to burn her channel down although I dislike some of the things she says in her videos and stuff but I don't like what Michelle is doing either. 

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The stupidest most toxic people are on stan twitter they just keep proving michelles point without even realizing it themselves.

It's also funny how twitter keeps calling out michelle for being a clout chaser and telling other armys to cancel and block/ignore the channel but they keep tweeting and ranting about her. Seems a bit obsessed and counterproductive.

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