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Ariana Grande


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okay but this is lowkey the straightest girl/girl kiss ever

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0nBvrBVXNnY

and she reacted the same way to courtney kissing her...idk man, seems kinda convenient RIGHT after the manchester pride backlash...

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okay but this is lowkey the straightest girl/girl kiss ever

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0nBvrBVXNnY

and she reacted the same way to courtney kissing her...idk man, seems kinda convenient RIGHT after the manchester pride backlash...

 

Well I think it was somewhat awkward because they’re friends/coworkers. Some people are comfortable with that sort of thing with a friend, and others have more boundaries and would feel strange/awkward to kiss their friend.

Not saying I think strongly one way or another concerning her sexuality. 

Also I have no idea why she would have to purposely “bait” homosexuals, considering she’s been very open about her support of the LGBT+ community (her bother Frankie is a gay man and she abandoned the catholic religion because of its stance on homosexuality ages ago). Some of her biggest fans that I’ve seen are gay men. She already has acceptance and fans within the LGBT+ folk so idk why she’d be trying to bait them (not saying she isn’t, just saying I don’t understand why she would)

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if she is bi, then why not just come out and say so? all this hinting at it and liking tweets about it doesn’t prove she is. it’s not like she’ll get backlash either but keeping it unconfirmed seems super baity.

 

I feel like there'd be a lot of people invalidating her sexuality because she's never publicly dated a woman (which is really problematic too.), and if she did it now everyone would say she's being opportunistic for coming out after the backlash she got for heading Manchester Pride.

In any case, I think her singing "I like women and men" is pretty black and white, she stated once that her songs aren't meant to be cryptic (Like with 'Pete Davidson') so I'd take this one at face value.

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As a bisexual woman myself, I find this very interesting... and by interesting, I mean total BS. Look at her history: Ariana Grande, blackfisher, vegan (but will promote your non-vegan product if paid to do so), donut licking, potential serial cheater, who had ample opportunity during the Manchester Pride backlash to come out* but instead chose to indicate she was a straight ally (by aligning her appearance with the likes of Kylie Minoque and Cher). This woman is now suddenly (possibly) bisexual. What timing! She has a song to promote! This lyric has certainly generated to LOT of buzz on social media and in the news. #hmmm Free publicity is good publicity.

I get that had she come out during the backlash the people would still struggle to believe it wasn't anything other than a PR move, but history proves that (to me) this is a person who cannot be trusted. I think this is a woman who is using bisexuality in her lyrics to generate interest and sales, and that irritates the fck out of me.

 

 

* No LGBTQI person is obligated to ever come out at any time they don't want to.

 

Ariana always knew how to get herself out of some sticky situations and this seemed like one those stunts to put her image back together. She's been having a tough year with the blackfishing, cultural appropriation, and accusations of fetishizing other people's cultures, and the drop of this song and coming out as bisexual seems a bit coordinated.

Celebrities are all about publicity and Ariana's team had to notice that her likeness was dropping so they needed to come up with something to derail the conversation about her controversies and steer it towards something more positive. We don't know Ariana personally and we can't comment whether she is or isn't bisexual, but the timing of this song and video and the whole message around it seemed fishy from the start. 

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how come every time someone eludes to bisexuality they always "choose not to label themselves" ... if you're bi just say you're bi and go, what's the point in being so cryptic? it's not like there's a shortage of bisexual pop divas lmao, coming out won't affect her career in any major way.

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I'm getting really problematic views from this post. You say "No LGBTQI person is obligated to ever come out at any time they don't want to." yet you imply that there's such a thing as the right "timing" for coming out? Hmm, I think you should take some time to reevaluate your views on coming out, and how it should never be about appeasing others. A lot of assumptions were made about Ariana's sexuality, we don't know her internal struggle so people just assumed she was straight and queerbaiting, just more proof that the whole "cancelled" culture is full of problematic people.

 

If that's all you got from my post then congratulations on completely missing the point. :doge:

Ariana Grande completely lacks any credibility. If she is bisexual (big IF) there have been plenty of opportunities for her to address it. And of course, she absolutely doesn't have to say anything ever at all, and that would be fine, too**. But given her history of being problematic, her lack of actual integrity and her choice of placing herself in the straight ally community instead of simply saying, "I'm celebrating pride and supporting this community of people" or something equally banal, then the point is this: she is most likely not bisexual and most likely being edgy and exploiting bisexuality as a means to self promote and make bank.

There are so many problematic things about Ariana's lyric (even more so if she's not actually bisexual) and this kind of bullshit actually affects real bisexual women (of which you aren't one). Many men have this fantasy of seeing woman on woman action, and many uneducated, idiotic men seem to think that dating a bisexual woman is a one way ticket to a threesome with two women. Because bisexual women are "loose," sex-mad nymphomaniacs up for anything, who have no problem inviting a third into their bed to fulfill a dude's sexual fantasy. When someone plays on that and commercialises it to promote a song, that angers me.

Now, thank you so much on schooling me on coming out. Much appreciation I have for that.

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I wonder what her "internal struggle" was when she licked that donut and said that she hated Americans?

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As of late, I feel like people are just looking for a reason to hate Ariana. Not gonna lie, she does make it easy for people to do so bc she did some pretty dumb shit (ex. bbq grill tattoo, not vetting the Starbucks promotion), but this is a wack reason. For the record, I'm speaking as a bisexual woman.

Rihanna literally did the same thing when she released 'Te Amo' and no one gave her shit, because there is nothing wrong with songs exploring sexuality. Rihanna formally denied bisexuality speculations and responded with "I love women, but I'm not gay."

Rih identifies as straight but has alluded to being attracted to women in interviews, which may be similar to the situation Ariana's in. People can explore their sexuality however they like. Ariana is a singer and expresses herself via lyrics and song; similar as to how you or me might express ourselves via journaling.

There are so many problematic things about Ariana's lyric (even more so if she's not actually bisexual) and this kind of bullshit actually affects real bisexual women (of which you aren't one). Many men have this fantasy of seeing woman on woman action, and many uneducated, idiotic men seem to think that dating a bisexual woman is a one way ticket to a threesome with two women. Because bisexual women are "loose," sex-mad nymphomaniacs up for anything, who have no problem inviting a third into their bed to fulfill a dude's sexual fantasy. When someone plays on that and commercialises it to promote a song, that angers me.

Now, thank you so much on schooling me on coming out. Much appreciation I have for that.

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I wonder what her "internal struggle" was when she licked that donut and said that she hated Americans?

There are many places to discuss the inaccurate nymphomaniac portrayal of bisexuals but when has Ariana contributed to that? "I like women and men" is ONE line in her song, the rest of the song just talks about her achievements, and the video is just her having fun with her friend. If you're referring to BUWYG, a threesome is hinted if you squint I guess but it's still very weak. (I call bullshit on her saying it's a song about loving yourself though, lmao it's clearly a homewrecker anthem.)

Lol donut licking was gross and immature, but the hating America/Americans comment was a joke in a passing comment to a friend.

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As of late, I feel like people are just looking for a reason to hate Ariana. Not gonna lie, she does make it easy for people to do so bc she did some pretty dumb shit (ex. bbq grill tattoo, not vetting the Starbucks promotion), but this is a wack reason. For the record, I'm speaking as a bisexual woman.

I don't like her actions. I can't hate the woman because I don't know her, but I can certainly point out her ridiculous behaviour. I can also give her props for having talent. The BBQ tattoo thing was hilarious and she took it pretty well, all things considered.

Rihanna literally did the same thing when she released 'Te Amo' and no one gave her shit, because there is nothing wrong with songs exploring sexuality. Rihanna formally denied bisexuality speculations and responded with "I love women, but I'm not gay."

I didn't know that and I have never heard that song. Apparently I was living under a rock at the time? And you are absolutely right; there is nothing wrong with exploring sexuality via songs. But at what point does it cross from exploration into exploitation? The point where it is not something you have done or would consider doing, but where instead it's used for titillation or publicity. For me, that's the line. I dont think she used it for titillation. I think she used it for publicity.

There are many places to discuss the inaccurate nymphomaniac portrayal of bisexuals but when has Ariana contributed to that? "I like women and men" is ONE line in her song,

I'll pay that. That was a tangential rant.

(But, one line in a song that is generating a lot of buzz. I can't help but think that was deliberate.)

Lol donut licking was gross and immature, but the hating America/Americans comment was a joke in a passing comment to a friend.

 

Oh the donut thing was me rolling my eyes at the comment I received previously. I was just taking the piss. ;)

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tbh idc what she decides to identify as, but "she said what she said" isn't a valid excuse for her anymore bc she implied she's straight when the manchester pride thing happened, and also given her history of being shady, this is suspiciously close to the drama around "break up w your gf" and her headlining pride lol

imo "i dont wanna label myself" sounds more like "i get to call myself queer without actually associating myself w The Gays and also ppl cant accuse me of queerbating". i might as well be wrong but she got a ton of publicity and millions of streams and that's all that matters <3 (lmao)

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Oh my god you guys... the arguing is just getting petty and REALLY stupid. And at this point with the things being said, it’s derailing the thread on top of that. There was genuine discussion at first but not anymore. Take it to your damn PMs.

Also of course that line in Monopoly generated buzz (among fans anyway). Everything the woman does generates buzz at this point. That’s how being one of the biggest celebrities in the world works. But just like all celebrity buzz, it died down in a matter of days. It’s like the stupid Starbucks drink all over again, cuz literally no one cared about that outside of here.

Idk, I’m a bisexual woman and I don’t feel comfortable invalidating her potential sexual exploration based on any of the points here. I just don’t. Maybe she’s bi, maybe she’s not, maybe she’s exploring. I don’t feel comfortable attacking and nit-picking that. It could be anyone and I wouldn’t feel comfortable. There’s no proof she’s trying to exploit bisexuality, and like I said before she has NO REASON to bait the gay community because she’s been accepted as an ally for literal years now. And I seriously doubt that she would purposefully do anything to seriously harm or exploit the LBGT+ community, considering her brother is gay and they have been extremely close their whole lives. But that’s all just me. Not speaking on this particular topic anymore though. Just thought I’d add my feelings on it:alpacabored:

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