Game Grumps/Dan Avidan and Arin Hanson


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Yes, Shadman is a pedo and draws porn of children. He got in trouble with drawing someone from Stranger Things, iirc.

This is no dark secret, this is part of his brand. For Suzy to buy and wear a shirt with him on it and openly endorse him is very worrying.

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"draws art of children" was not serious enough.
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It does truly feel like they're stuck a few years back. Other people like Jenna, Pewdie, and Shane have been able to keep up with the times and changing Youtube landscape, but Arin just...is stagnant (not that I support everyone on this list lol).

 

I don't think it's really fair to compare Arin/GG to people like Jenna and Shane though. They got famous on OG YouTube for doing sketches, so naturally as YouTube evolved to be more "real", they evolved their content to involve their "real" selves as well. And Pewdie kind of shifted from doing LPs to making cringey/edgy meme videos, so I don't really consider him to be a true "gaming" channel anymore..?

I honestly think most of the the YouTube gaming community has always been mindless FPS/battle royale compilations so GG has always been a breath of fresh air for me since they play off-beat/random games at times, and they still do. TBH I think Arin's reached a good balance of playing games he likes + incorporating LPs of hype games to gain viewership. TMPH also doesn't feel completely "vlog-like" to me either; they still have a purpose whether it's playing board games, doing arts and crafts, etc. 

That being said I can't really speak on Arin's behavior since I'm a relatively new fan (post-Jon). I wish Dan was more involved in playing, although it's pretty clear that he was never a huge gamer as a kid. It honestly makes the series less enjoyable for me sometimes since Arin's usually super excited and Dan's just... not? I have noticed that when Dan's not into it, Arin gets like, considerably more annoying to almost compensate for it. 

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I don't think it's really fair to compare Arin/GG to people like Jenna and Shane though. They got famous on OG YouTube for doing sketches, so naturally as YouTube evolved to be more "real", they evolved their content to involve their "real" selves as well. And Pewdie kind of shifted from doing LPs to making cringey/edgy meme videos, so I don't really consider him to be a true "gaming" channel anymore..?

 

Good point. I was going for people who in general have been somewhat popular on Youtube for a long period of time who have had some sort of change to stay more relevant. Jenna made longer sketches and toned down in some ways, Shane now dabbles in documentary-style videos rather than the variety show he had all that time ago. Not exactly a one-to-one comparison, but these people have been able to stay relevant by adopting to the new standards. Arin and Dan have only just now started to do what Pewdie is doing, which is incorporating more non-gaming videos into the channel. Pewdie hasn't had any success previously with anything other than gaming, although Arin has with his animations. We've seen that Arin was ok with gaming to stay relevant, I'm just wondering why he hasn't changed again when there are plenty of other big Youtube names that have.

Took a look at the channel and their views are still pretty down there for 4 million views IMO. The fact that their non-gaming videos have TWICE as many views as their gaming videos says to me that they would benefit greatly and bring the channel back up somewhat if they had greater focus on these new vids. I know that the views on their gaming videos is highly dependent on whether people want to watch that particular game or not, but I think this speaks more about what they can do if they want to focus on getting views again more than anything else.

It's pretty funny that their Ghoul Grumps announcement has 1 mil and nothing else released in a month has reached that except for that collab with Wolfhard and Jacksepticeye.

 

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Used to be a fan of GG a while back, but just grew tired and bored of putting up with the racism and etc. that went on. The humor in the episodes just doesn't mesh well with the humor I have now.

I didn't know Ross and Barry are no longer involved, that's pretty sad. They were some of my faves behind Arin.

What's funny is that Arin went from animator, to LP'er when games became more popular, and now they're trying to cash in on the vlogging trend but it feels pretty late to do it. I might even enjoy watching the vlogs they do, but with the Shadman stuff I cannot support them in good conscious.

It does truly feel like they're stuck a few years back. Other people like Jenna, Pewdie, and Shane have been able to keep up with the times and changing Youtube landscape, but Arin just...is stagnant (not that I support everyone on this list lol).

 

ross isn't completely uninvolved per se, idk what capacity they're involved in now, but in the ten minute power hours, quite a few times you see ross in the studio. so idk if he's just there hanging out or if he still does work for them or what. 

Yes, Shadman is a pedo and draws porn of children. He got in trouble with drawing someone from Stranger Things, iirc.

This is no dark secret, this is part of his brand. For Suzy to buy and wear a shirt with him on it and openly endorse him is very worrying.

 

wait suzy wore a shadman shirt?????? wow that's really surprising to me 

 

for people who don't know you really can't OVER-state how shitty shadman is. like his comics are literally the most overtly racist/misogynist/disgustingly pedophilic things and it's not at all subtle. like there's no possible way you could try to argue there's redeeming value in his "work"

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I haven’t watched GG in years but I listen to SuperMega, the podcast their editors do. They’re pretty funny and remind me of Jon era GG without the racism. 

Speaking of editors, Kevin was terrible. I understand why rantgrumps freaked out so often.

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I fucking hated the Grep Tumblr fandom circa 2013-2015 lmfao. One of the leaders there was an actual pedophile (21 year old dating a 14 year old!!) and they were "coinkidinkly" into ABDL and DDLG/BA (adult baby diaper lovers; daddy dear, little girl/boy). So, Suzy supporting Shad, Grep having ties to Shad... I'm not surprised.

 

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Pewdiepie is a let’s player so comparing GG to him is completely fair. Many older fans still unanimously agree that the Jontron era was the best because it seems less forced. Arin years ago admitted GG is mainly scripted and has been shortly after Dan came on board. And there is a speculation Super Mega is over worked and are doing podcasts more because it’s less time consuming. (Frankly I am seeing, Matt’s skin especially looking tired and stressed.) 

I will say many let’s players will play the same game if another one did because it’s a way to hopefully get views. MM does it. Jack does it and the list goes on and on. But, Arin’s wish to become an animator is done because if don’t do 3D then you main jobs with be commercials in the American market. He did try acting with his biggest success in that by playing a small part in Rick & Morty. Other than that his acting career is quiet. Starbomb was a success but they haven’t done much with it in a while. 

Truely Dan may leave GG to pursue his music career that is doing fairly well, which as Dan said multiple times, music is his passion.  Not sitting around playing video games. His was smart to use GG as a platform to get his band more attention and with his Under the Cover album get many critics praising it and even some original artists saying it was some of the best remakes they heard I wouldn’t blame if he just up and left. 

Honestly GG has been holding on as best as they could but with changes such as scripting and fans just plainly growing up I can see why their future is iffy. Sadly Dan has something to fall back on and Arin should plan for when GG will end. 

To wrap this up, no. I don’t hate GG but I am one of those fans that grew up and I am far from being the only one. Some games like house party are hilarious but that those are as rare as rubies. 

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I honestly think them sticking so hard to the really old episodic 10-minutes of gameplay style videos has hurt them in the long run. In the beginning when it was just Jon and Arin they took a lot of inspiration from Continue? with the editing and stuff, but that was fresh back in like 2012. They should really have tried to change the formula of the main show years ago.

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I actually don't think it's weird at all that they turned GG into a company? It feels like a pretty natural development when you're a bigger group so you are actually EMPLOYED and not just working under some dude with a channel that calls all the shots. I also think it's a pretty clever move when YTers in general do this, because a lot of them are either just out of school or college without a lot of actual work experience, hell Arin is even a highschool drop-out, so he if anyone would be royally fucked in the work-department the day the YT bubble bursts. So having a former status as a CEO or similar status is going to look a lot better when looking for a job rather than a huge empty slot in the timeline with the excuse "I was interweb famooozzzz". 

So with above reasoning in mind, out of Arin and Dan I actually think Arin is the one that is going to be better off than Dan, because he will have some work sort of work experience to lean back on while Dan is trying his hardest as a musician. Not saying he will end up flipping burgers at 50 though. And I remember in a video a few months ago they did mention that they do have private side projects that they do/prepare just in case everything goes to shit with youtue, because they are aware that it won't hold up forever. 

Did anyone watch the show they made for.. youtube premium or what ever that pay-service on YT is? I was curious but not curious enough to take a look.

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Wait, Grumps is scripted? :alpacaconfused: I shouldn't be surprised, but I kind of am.

 

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Did anyone watch the show they made for.. youtube premium or what ever that pay-service on YT is? I was curious but not curious enough to take a look.

 

good game? no, i didn't watch it. my bf and i considered it bc we're both big fans of the grumps and it's one of the things we first bonded over but in the end it didn't look interesting enough for us to get the YTR subscription just for that. cause there's nothing else on youtube red that interests me so far. 

i think dan harmon is really funny but the show didn't look funny to me in the ways dan harmon is funny if that makes sense? i also don't know anyone who's watched it, so i wonder about it a lot lol.

Arin years ago admitted GG is mainly scripted and has been shortly after Dan came on board.

 

wait, where did you see that? i never heard that. i would be hella surprised if it were true because the dan episodes are so stream-of-consciousness lol

 

here's what i think the main problem is with their humor style now: they're both still really funny dudes. arin makes me crack up still even though i get frustrated with him a lot. but arin and dan always reference that they took improv lessons together shortly after dan came on board and i think it influenced their humor in a negative way. 

for people who aren't familiar with improv, there's a concept in improv called the "yes, and". it means, basically, that if your scene partner introduces a concept, you can't shoot it down and move on, you should accept and build on that concept. so let's say i was doing a scene in a grocery store. if my scene partner comes in and pretends to be a robber, me immediately pulling out a gun and shooting the robber dead would make for bad improv, because obviously it would end the conflict in the scene.

dan and arin seem to have really taken this concept and run with it, whether they realize it or not. back in the day, they would be more content to let a joke run its course and let it slide, but now, it's like every single joke they have, they run into the ground completely. and they didn't use to be that way.

a recent example would be they had an episode not too long ago (in summer i think) where they were doing references to sugar bear from the old sugar crisp cereal commercials, and they had a bit where the "granny" character is like "oh sugar bear's not gonna steal my sugar crisp!!" and i think the original joke was that sugar bear unexpectedly pulled out a gun and threatened her with it to take the cereal, and at one point dan said "i got lobbyists in congress too, granny" (referencing US gun control issues, for anyone not familiar) and i thought that one comment was hilarious. however, THEN they literally went on for at least fifteen more minutes going back and forth with more and more sugar bear gun lobbying references and jokes about sugar bear having opinions on the government etc and it totally killed the humor of the original comment dan made. it's just so frustrating. 

i know it's all subjective cause lots of people think that bit was hilarious beginning to end, but going too far with a joke is one of the fastest ways to become annoying on youtube and even though i still love the grumps i don't want to get annoyed with them and eventually stop watching. it would really bum me out. :/ 

 

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good game? no, i didn't watch it. my bf and i considered it bc we're both big fans of the grumps and it's one of the things we first bonded over but in the end it didn't look interesting enough for us to get the YTR subscription just for that. cause there's nothing else on youtube red that interests me so far. 

i think dan harmon is really funny but the show didn't look funny to me in the ways dan harmon is funny if that makes sense? i also don't know anyone who's watched it, so i wonder about it a lot lol.

wait, where did you see that? i never heard that. i would be hella surprised if it were true because the dan episodes are so stream-of-consciousness lol

 

here's what i think the main problem is with their humor style now: they're both still really funny dudes. arin makes me crack up still even though i get frustrated with him a lot. but arin and dan always reference that they took improv lessons together shortly after dan came on board and i think it influenced their humor in a negative way. 

for people who aren't familiar with improv, there's a concept in improv called the "yes, and". it means, basically, that if your scene partner introduces a concept, you can't shoot it down and move on, you should accept and build on that concept. so let's say i was doing a scene in a grocery store. if my scene partner comes in and pretends to be a robber, me immediately pulling out a gun and shooting the robber dead would make for bad improv, because obviously it would end the conflict in the scene.

dan and arin seem to have really taken this concept and run with it, whether they realize it or not. back in the day, they would be more content to let a joke run its course and let it slide, but now, it's like every single joke they have, they run into the ground completely. and they didn't use to be that way.

a recent example would be they had an episode not too long ago (in summer i think) where they were doing references to sugar bear from the old sugar crisp cereal commercials, and they had a bit where the "granny" character is like "oh sugar bear's not gonna steal my sugar crisp!!" and i think the original joke was that sugar bear unexpectedly pulled out a gun and threatened her with it to take the cereal, and at one point dan said "i got lobbyists in congress too, granny" (referencing US gun control issues, for anyone not familiar) and i thought that one comment was hilarious. however, THEN they literally went on for at least fifteen more minutes going back and forth with more and more sugar bear gun lobbying references and jokes about sugar bear having opinions on the government etc and it totally killed the humor of the original comment dan made. it's just so frustrating. 

i know it's all subjective cause lots of people think that bit was hilarious beginning to end, but going too far with a joke is one of the fastest ways to become annoying on youtube and even though i still love the grumps i don't want to get annoyed with them and eventually stop watching. it would really bum me out. :/ 

 

 

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