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  1. giblante added a post in a topic Blackpink (formerly Jennie Kim thread)   

    I think I mostly agree with everyone's thoughts on Lisa's dancing and her occasional stiffness. It seems like when she started being a trainee, she started to focus less on being an actual dancer and more on being an idol dancer, and I don't really think YG has a broad range of dance instructors who push out strong dancers. All of the skilled dancers who have trained at YG had natural talent to begin with (Yibo, Lisa, Taeyang, Minzy) versus someone like Taeyong who had to push himself to be a good dancer. I also think the problem with Lisa's stagnant dancing is the same as the problem with the overall group: nothing ever changes. She probably uses the same choreographers, the same instructors, and little conditioning classes, so there's never anything different. Everything is just recycled. And of the choreographers she does use, like Cheshir, she doesn't get many corrections. The only thing I will disagree on is that the stiffness could be caused by her holding back because it doesn't really seem very realistic to me. Even if you have to simplify your dancing to match the people around you, it shouldn't compromise your performance.
    There are a lot of great dancers who are idols. Yixing, Insoo, Hyoyeon, Hakyeon, Ten, Boa, Zelo, Taemin, Yuta, Hoya, Jisung, Eunhyuk, Yugyeom, J-Hope, and Yibo are just a few. The thing that sets them apart from Lisa is that they constantly work with new people, so they're exposed to different teaching methods and they have someone new who will point out any flaws their regular instructors miss. At professional studios it's the same way. If you train for years to become a company member at ABT, you'll mostly work with instructors there, but no one ever stops attending classes at other studios or companies. It's the reason why there are special discounts at some studios for professionals (and exes) who are looking for extra classes. And even if you're at a smaller studio, odds are, you'll be encouraged to attend any workshops from visiting professionals. Zelo used to talk about how he works with different choreographers a lot. SM outsources most of the people who come in, and they use a lot of different pros from S. Korea and the US. Their idols get a diverse set a trainers, and it shows. 
    [experience: 17 years as a dancer (mostly ballet, jazz, and acro), 3 of which as a pro]
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  2. giblante added a post in a topic Blackpink (formerly Jennie Kim thread)   

    But even then, she was just acting because all shows like that have to have one "strict" mentor. When Jisoo was talking about it in one instance, she said Lisa never acts like that, so she was surprised.
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  3. giblante added a post in a topic Blackpink (formerly Jennie Kim thread)   

    Tbh, BTS and BP (and their respective companies) have both messed up in terms of cultural appropriation. I think the difference comes from how their companies (and some members) address their controversies. When BTS culturally fumbles, Big Hit releases a public apology at the least (most of the time). Sometimes a member in BTS might say something too. BTS and Big Hit acknowledges the concerns of their non-Korean fanbase, even if it's performative. I just get confused because neither YG, nor BP do the same, even if it's just to say they acknowledged an incident. Like, you can't try to market yourself to the Western music market, but when you have controversy from those fans, or fans of other cultures, you ignore them. It doesn't make sense. It honestly just seems like the only way for YG to talk about cultural appropriation is if the Korean gp complained, which will never happen.
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  4. giblante added a post in a topic Blackpink (formerly Jennie Kim thread)   

    ^^^ I agree. And that's why YG's marketing for BP makes zero sense to me compared to his others groups, mostly because he's trying to push BP into the US market. With all his other acts that rely on cultural appropriation, they just promote in and target S. Korea, Japan, China, and SE Asia, which makes sense and there's little backlash because there's a lot of anti-blackness in their fanbases there, so most people won't care regardless. But he tries to promote BP in the US while culturally appropriating like this. Did they not see what happened to Iggy? And it's so wild because this "badass image" is what caught international fans' attention, but those same fans and the communities around them will eventually shun BP because black people are tired of having their art taken and watered down, especially hip hop. To be taken seriously as a hip hop act, there has to be a level of authenticity and artistry that BP just doesn't have. Why would YG try to push them here; it won't work.
    And the general public here doesn't really want a girl group anyway. No one wanted Fifth Harmony after a while. Little Mix had their moment here, but they're gone too. And honestly? If June's Diary, as talented of singers and songwriters they all are with backing from Kelly Rowland, didn't make it for the gp there's no way that BP will make it, especially when you compare their music and the level of talent. Chloe x Halle just got a break despite how long they've been working and a backing from Beyoncé.
     
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  5. giblante added a post in a topic Blackpink (formerly Jennie Kim thread)   

    I really don't think YG should've ever given BP this air of exclusivity because they could've done a lot of different things to promote the group and make the company more money. Like Lisa could've been on HTS. Jisoo could've had a small role in a drama. Rose could've done an appearance on a program centered on singing. I'm not sure about Jennie, but if they were so dead set on making her out to be this fashion-forward, trendy, Blair Waldorf-type, Yg could've filmed a mini-show of her shopping/talking about different fashion and styling people like some Youtubers already do, idk. YG could've done a lot of stuff to promote them in S. Korea. 
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  6. giblante added a post in a topic Blackpink (formerly Jennie Kim thread)   

    Seriously! The amount of control and musicality she had when she was so young was amazing. It takes a lot of strength and selective muscle engagement to be able to fully control isolations like that. I think that if they put the right people around her, some no-nonsense people who will push her to get better, her dancing would skyrocket. Like, I was a good dancer when i was a kid, but I didn't start to drastically improve until I stuck with my first Russian ballet teacher (*shivers*). i think Lisa needs someone like that who knows their stuff and wants to see her do better, someone who will focus on technique and execution, because it seems like all Cheshir Ha and BP choreographers cares about is making sure she looks good.
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  7. giblante added a post in a topic Blackpink (formerly Jennie Kim thread)   

    Yeah, I also think it may also be because everyone already praises her too much so maybe she or her managers/company/etc don't think they need to put much effort into improving her because their fans will eat it up regardless. I wish I could bleach her solo from YWY from my mind, but it really was abysmal. Granted, a lot of it was the choreography itself, but she could have done better as well.
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  8. giblante added a post in a topic Blackpink (formerly Jennie Kim thread)   

    I agree. Lisa objectively is a better dancer than Rose who tends to overdance. Lisa's lines are much more clean and she knows which steps to put more power into to emphasize the choreo without it looking too forced, even though sometimes she cuts off some moves too early. (experience: I've danced for 17 years; of those pre-pro for 2 years, internship for 1.5, professionally for just over 3 years though it's been mostly ballet, jazz, and acro)
    Eh, I honestly don't know. I think Lisa practices, but I don't think she gets choreo to practice with that's above her level so it doesn't challenge her enough. Now she just seems kinda stagnant. Like, she's not bad, but she's not amazing when it's clear she could improve. I think she needs teachers/coaches who will push her more. Or, she needs to dance with more people who are above her level in a class to push her more. Or, she could have a session with other dancers.
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  9. giblante added a post in a topic Blackpink (formerly Jennie Kim thread)   

    There were just way too many great things about the other groups coming back now for bP have a chance, it seems like. I actually feel somewhat bad for BP and their fans, especially because of the choreography for HYLT. It really just looks like a copy paste of their previous choreographies. The structure of the song is the same, and so are the formations and sequences for the choreo. The choreographers (I'm still trying to figure out how it took 3 people to make that and why they'd be proud to admit it) could have even tried to do something interesting with blocking or using the different beats in the chorus to show more musicality or something. Blinks tried to bash More & More, but the choreography is great, even if you don't like the song. Twice isn't praised for their choreos and everyone says they're too easy or too cutesy, but More & More showed a different side of them. 
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xiMNWJr8J1w
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  10. giblante added a post in a topic Blackpink (formerly Jennie Kim thread)   

    This poor Blink just dragged BP and didn't even realize it lol. A Honda Civic also depreciates less in value when you drive it out the lot than a Lamborghini. A Honda Civic also lasts longer and isn't made for planned obsolescence. A Honda Civic has longevity. And after a few years you realize that a Lamborghini is/was a bad, short-sighted investment. With every comeback BP has, the music lowers in quality. I literally don't know anyone who can still listen to BP's entire discography unless they're a Blink.
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  11. giblante added a post in a topic Blackpink (formerly Jennie Kim thread)   

    Tell me if I'm just imagining things, but is the tear under her eye supposed to be like the cholo/chola/thug tattoos people in AA and Hispanic communities get here in the states? I'm afrolatina and from what I recall hearing from other people around me, it's supposed to represent how many people you've killed (or lost). If it is then... why would they put that on her? This has the same energy as Lisa's fake gold tooth.
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  12. giblante added a post in a topic Blackpink (formerly Jennie Kim thread)   

    Slightly OT, but I'm curious: Who was/were the member(s) you felt most drawn to at their debut vs now?
    Because for me, I liked Rose and Lisa the most during their debut, and I was rooting for Lisa as YG's first Thai idol. I didn't really like their music because it just sounded like noise to me, and their variety appearances were sort of boring, but I had hope that it was just because they were still new and adjusting. Then Rose didn't get any promotion and Lisa got distant and slacked off with her dancing.
    (And if I'm being honest, after Sorn being racist and then responding poorly, I've been side-eyeing all her friends who still associate with her. And Lisa's controversy with Cierra Nichols, I can't really deal with her and her silence and complacency anymore.)
    But now I think my favorite is Rose. I don't really feel like her fan or anything, but she seems like she genuinely enjoys herself on stage and cares for her fans. And since she's stopped with the excessive aegypo, she seems more sure of herself.
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  13. giblante added a post in a topic Blackpink (formerly Jennie Kim thread)   

    People might get mad at me, but I think when it comes to things like rapping, it's best not to listen to kpop stans because they don't know what they're talking about. Granted, a lot of these people don't even listen to actual rap by the people who created the genre or artform. I've literally seen Blinks online say they don't listen to actual Black rappers, just kpop, more specifically Blackpink. It's all just anti-Blackness, which I kinda expect from kpop stans at this point. There was even a popular Youtube video comparing the members of BP's skillsets, and she sid you can't compare Lisa and Jennie "because they have different flows, and you can't compare different flows," when any person who has listened to rap or hip hop could obviously tell you that "flow" is just the rhythm and cadence of your raps, and skilled rappers use different flows in the same song. Kpop fans for the most part have no idea about anything concerning hip hop or rap in general and just reduce it to "style" and swag" and say they don't want any politics in their K-hip hop or from their favorite idol rappers... Even though rap/hip hop has a political foundation, and it will always be political.
    Someone saying they prefer Jennie over CL isn't really an issue to me because it's personal opinion. Neither are lyricists. I think Cl is just more charismatic. But saying Jennie is skilled because of her delivery of something she didn't write is misinformed. That means anyone who learned the lyrics to Jennie's rap is just as good a rapper as her. Delivery is impressive in actual rappers because they write it themselves and incorporate changes in cadence, tone, and inflection to emphasize their lyrics--hence, their delivery enhances the meaning of their words. Just say you like Jennie and be done with it. You don't need a reason to like one idol more than another lol.
    (Sorry about the rant, but I study English in uni and I'm tired of everyone just reducing rap/hip hop to "swag" and tiktok dances.)
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  14. giblante added a post in a topic Blackpink (formerly Jennie Kim thread)   

    Honestly, I think it's YG's fault to begin with. The first thing anyone ever knew about them is that they're pretty. He didn't even mention anything about their skillsets really. The only thing that mattered is how they looked. Fast forward 4 years and now that's all their company and their fans care about--that they're pretty. It's a self-fulfilling prophecy.
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  15. giblante added a post in a topic Blackpink (formerly Jennie Kim thread)   

    Or they've just never heard of superman or listened to Biggie... ya know... actual rap/hip hop, which makes sense since they think Lisa and Jennie are the second and third coming of Rapsody.
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