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Even though her parents make good money I don't think they pay for her apartment. They didn't want to pay for UCLA and wanted her to go to a cheaper university or her father's so she could study tuition-free. In the beginning she slept in a shared dorm room and later off campus with 2-3 other girls in one room, then upgraded to her own room in a shared apartment, after that the studio apartment on her own and now her shoe box in Manhattan. Her parents seem to not just throw money anywhere they can (and I can see her mother growing up poor as a first generation immigrant could be still very money conscious) and why would they now throw money at a tiny apartment in Manhattan for Ashley, but made Ashley stay in a shared room with multiple other girls when she was a student? With her parents being academics I would understand if they would rather spend money on getting Ashley her own room while going to university, so she would have a more quiet room to focus on her studies. Ashley also upgraded her living situation around the same time she quit her editing job with the sorry girls, because she was able to just live off her youtube money. Her net worth is estimated to be around 500k or more and just taking her youtube earnings into account, so with adding the income from all her ads and partnerships off of youtube, her net worth is most definitely way higher. With such an income she can comfortably rent the apartment in Manhattan just by herself. Her parents may have money, but it doesn't seem they are spending it on Ashley living out her romcom dream, that's all Ashley by herself. It is definitely Ashley aggressively spending money for a certain life style, I can imagine her parents actually being horrified by the fact that she spends 2k just in rent for a literal shoe box.
Her estimated net worth just from her youtube earnings is around $500.000 or more and on top of that she is earning some decent coin from fashion ads and partnerships. She really could set an example, donate and put her wallet where her mouth is. I bet if she gets asked why she doesn't donate she will say that she in fact did donate, but kept silent because she has suuuch a young audience and she doesn't want them to feel the pressure to donate their pocket money or something like that. Also notice, how she now more than once used her audience as an excuse for staying silent on certain topics, either they are too young or already so well educated and well informed. She make it seem like she is thoughtful of her audience, but can't quit on oversharing her sex life and thoughts on sex related kinks, even when younger subscribers already mentioned that they feel uncomfortable with it.
I hear you and I agree with you, I don't really see how our points are different, maybe a bit more of miscommunication. From your prior post it seemed like her world view and opinions are unchangeable, but views and opinions have the potential to change and my point was that Ashley doesn't put in the effort and very likely is very sheltered and as you said lives in her own bubble. I do think Ashley is not as smart as she thinks she is and definitely is a people pleaser and picks up what will make her look good, but she does show strategic thinking in how to grow her channel, she founded her own company the second her channel gained traction and even though a big part is overthinking, she seems to plan and strategise a lot for her channel/career and as you said herself, she sticks to a formula that makes her stay positive in the public eye. These kind of things need some level of intelligence, so even if we assume she is just good at repeating what teachers told her, she is not potato-level dumb. She may be super unaware and full of herself, but generally she could work on herself, like, the potential is there, but she doesn't care. I get your point and agree, I think were I differ is that Ashley could change how and who she is, but it will take a lot of work. Might be that this is part of her total denial of seeking professional help, therapy definitely could help her getting more level headed. But wether she could change or she couldn't, she certainly should be held accountable for her behaviour.
Yes, that's is definitely true, I have such parents myself. I think it can led to having this understanding just for yourself, i.e. "it's fine if others don't have a degree, but I'm worthless if I don't have one" or if it's your whole worldview "everyone without a degree is worthless and people with one are superior". Of course our own thinking is shaped by the believes and values of our parents, so yeah I can see where it is coming from, but Ashley is 22, lived already in 2 of the biggest cities in the US, is well educated and still makes snide comments about younger girls or other influencers in general dropping out of high school or college, people she calls her friends on social media. My parents for example also made very foul comments about people, who are unemployed, may it be between jobs or because of other reasons all throughout my childhood and teen years, heck, my father is super racist and sexist, but just because I grew up with those believes, doesn't mean I have to think the same way. I think 22 is definitely an age to form one's own opinion and to reflect on how my parents see the world and how I see it. Ashley choose the arts instead of stem and also finished up after her undergraduate and isn't planing on doing a master's or phd, so I would assume that she is not blindly relying on her parents wishes and values, so she is more than able to not put other people down for not having a degree or making herself out as better for having one.
I watched the the video about Ashley being privileged and not being a feminist from Sankavi someone linked to a couple of pages back - and it is such a good video! I really recommend watching it, because the woman in the vid, Sankavi, is very articulate, makes a lot of good points AND she is very good at reflecting about being a woman of color and having her own struggles, but also acknowledging privileges she has and how Ashley, who is way more privileged than her, doesn't acknowledges any of hers and even spins her racks-to-riches-story. Also, Sankavi dropped out of college and talks about Ashley's elitism and I find it so ironic, how Ashley feels so important and superior to others for going to UCLA and having a college degree, whereas other women, who have dropped out are so much more articulate, mature and able to have a distinct conversation about privilege and politics. I mean, we all know, that a degree doesn't make you a fucking better, superior and smarter person by default, but that's what Ashley thinks and it is so funny to see how she mentioned in her e-girl vid some super basic feminist stuff and proudly proclaimed that she learned that in film school and other women of color make nuanced vids and are relatable, all without a 100k-degree.
I'll link Sankavi's vid in the spoiler, so anybody interested can have a look without going a couple pages back:
Wooooooow, I did't check on pull or general social media for like 24h due to busy work days and there are like 10 pages and another Ashley-controversy. Feels like:
I agree with all of you, Ashley, sit down. I also think her suddenly talking about "value signaling" aka virtue signaling just after someone made a whole video about criticising her for virtue signaling shows that she most likely watches all these controversy/Ashley-is-problematic-vids. Also what the fuck means "not wanting to virtue signal for virtue signaling"??? You do virtue signaling for exactly that. You also can't say you don't want to gossip for the sake of gossiping. Because I had to catch up on 10 pages I may have overlooked it, but did Ashley apologise for being tone-deaf? Or did she really just post this picture of her having a look at african-american studies from ~yale~? This post shows just soooo much how privileged and out of touch she is. Being "woke", political and a feminist my ass. It is also laughable that she says that she doesn't post about political stuff because she assumes that her audience is already educated in that. Her main audience are fucking teens and she knows it. Why is she reciting feminist hot takes from the 90s in her video like they will blow her audiences' mind if they are already sooo well educated on political issues? I bet her teen audience will take this excuse not as a blanket statement, but will feel flattered that Ashley thinks that only woke and well educated people watch her. Kinda ironic, considering she most likely started posting about all this to fight against the criticism vids and to appear more like this political aware and feminist person she says she is, but actually just showed how privileged she is and that she is NOT the person she tries to portray. I wonder if this actually will loose her some followers.
Ps: I don't know if this thought is ridiculous, but I wouldn't put it past Ashley if she will post in the next days or next week some photos hanging out with friends in the past, one of which will be black and caption it with "oh, I miss the days of 20XX when I hung out carefree with my friends and not sitting alone at home during a pandemic~" or something like that, but actually just wants to show, that she, Ashley, has black friends, too! Because she really shows that white suburban mentality to race issues and thinks she is so sneaky with her postings with Ryan, etc.
Let me help you all out with that, I raise additional drinking rules: Take a sip anytime Ashley mentions some mental health issues she is struggling with in a joking way that clearly indicates a need for professional helpTake a sip anytime she either says "Neeew Yoooork, beeeebii!" or she mentions something very basic that makes her feel like "a real New Yorker already!"Finish your drink every time she says "my unhealthy obsession with X" I find it super interesting how many videos about Ashley pop up right now. I guess some just try to catch the wave, but it also feels like a lot of people were sitting on some opinions and realised they were not the only one having them. I find it also interesting that a good part of the vids are made by Asian women. So my guess would be that there are quite some people rather critical of Ashley and she is mostly adored by her young fan base.
I would also like to add why it is just such a bad move for Ashley to sell pr: She sold or at least try to sell multiple items from Marc Jacobs that were clearly gifts. Like this watch that costs over 400$ or the very perfume Ashley is advertising for MJ. She is literally one of the faces for this perfume campaign and has a ongoing partnership with MJ for over a year, this brand got her into Fashion Week. In this case it is not simply selling some extra clothing from UO or another brand that was sent to her, selling expensive pr gifts from biggest and most influential brand partner.
As we are making predictions for her thrift flip video, here are mine: she will have a segment where she speaks with her "serious Ashley voice" educating her audience about how female influencers are treated differently than male influencers and vaguely hints at criticism at her as being misogynistic, because clearly all criticism towards women must be pure misogyny and not, like, women are human and normal people and make mistakes too, have room to grow and can also be shit heads. Bonus: Cue some side comment putting other women down or making Ashley better than others just minutes after she gave her feminism/double standards speechWhile she's sitting on the floor of her apartment, sewing, she will tell again some story on how she started out with thrifting because she didn't have enough money for nice clothes and how she worked multiple jobs to save up money for college and generally laying it very heavy on being relatable Ashley-next-door and with such humble beginnings. super toned down on everything, but will very heavily speak about her mental health struggles while sitting on the floor or bed, sewing.third prediction is that Ashley will maybe do none of the things we predicted before and will just avoid anything regarding the building criticism and just do a straight forward fashion video Btw, in her London vlog from 4 years ago, when she lost her passport she had to stay like 3 days longer in England as originally planed and she said that she was tutoring high schoolers for some exam and by coming back 3 days later she was missing out on a couple of hundred dollars in tutoring money. What recent high school graduate makes multiple hundred dollars in 2-3 days of tutoring? This would mean that she would have taken like 50$/h, but I guess living in one of the richest counties of the US pays you decent money, even as a recent high school graduate. Sharing this not to bash or to suggest tutors should not make good money, if you are a good tutor you should get decently paid, just want to point out that even as a high schooler Ashley wasn't hurting for money and was already making more than double the money an hour than some people working minimum wage make.
As someone already stated, Ashley is definitely not the only influencer selling pr, generally I find it immoral to sell stuff you get free to advertise and being paid for to do so, but I can at least understand if smaller influencers do it if they are in a financially though spot. It is not the most awesome thing, but if you struggle to pay rent one month for whatever reason, yeah go and sell that extra make up and stuff. But Ashley is not in a financially though spot. And the other thing is, if you are an influencer and sell your pr gift, ffs don't do it in a way that can be traced effortless back to you. The whole thing with influencers is, that they are the person next door, the friend that is recommending something to you. A person you can relate to and who's opinion is honest and believable. If it comes to light that you proudly pose with a big smile on your face with certain items on your social media to advertise them and a month or two later you sell these exact items, it is not a good look and your whole influencer persona seems dishonest. If people catch on that you are actually not that fond or proud for owning item X, you loose integrity. And if you loose integrity as an influencer you are fucked. You can be the smartest and most beautiful person ever, but it doesn't matter if people think you can't be trusted and you are fake. That's why it is not worth to sell pr for $30 bucks, damaging your image and integrity isn't worth the $30. And yeah, IF you sell stuff, be smart about it and don't get caught. I wouldn't be surprised if all former listed clothing items that can be identified as pr gifts in Ashley's store and depop can be found as ads in her instagram postings. Wonder how much pr gifts she sold when she went to this flea market in LA to sell her clothes before the move?
Yeah, I agree, she definitely didn't ask for permission. I don't even think it is a general thing to ask or inform a brand of the intention to resell their pr gifts. After all, you are the advertiser, your job is to get people to buy a certain item, if you get rid of the item yourself it doesn't really bring the message across that it is something worth buying if you don't want to keep it. And yeah, ultimately as an influencer you can't keep all the stuff you are gifted, but it is your job to influence and to advertise, it is part of your person online, so linking yourself/your persona to selling the exact things you advertised not to long ago is just being bad at your job in the end. As Momobee said, her deleting her Depop and never acknowleding it shows that she feels like she did something wrong and got caught. Otherwise she could have just replied to the person from pull/gg messaging her on depop with "oh, it's cool, I have permission to sell it!". And as I said before, it would have been so much better for her to donate these things to a good cause, giving charities a platform by talking about them, inspire other people to also donate something and getting good pr in the end, that's also a way to "invest" the money she would have made otherwise by selling the pr gifts. She also said in her apartment hunting in NYC vid, that she spend roughly 10k for her move, accounting for the moving company, apartment hunting and her apartment deposit, someone being able to shell out 10k for a just for fun move and exclusively focusing on living in Manhattan is not someone struggling for money. She mentioned before how she spend 600$ for a pair of shoes and in her bullet journal video she had a video idea written down, reading "how I spend 400$ just on plants" (which she btw had to leave in LA) and yeah, I also noticed that she is wearing more and more expensive clothes. This is not someone, who is in need of a free hundred bucks from selling pr gifts. I mean, I can understand wanting to hustle and I still tend to buy groceries that are cheap and on sale instead of nicer brands, even though I could probably afford them, because I lived for years with very little money. But Ashley was never broke-broke, Ashley comes from a family that is actually so proud of being financially stable and comfortable that her mother writes articles about it. And it is totally normal to have less money as a university student and being on a budget. All her spendings indicate that she isn't on a budget for some time now and there is and was no reason for her to sell pr gifts to help her out with her budget. Not to mention that it is not the smartest idea to sell pr gifts on a profil and on your personal web shop, which are linked to your online persona. She could have sold stuff under "A. Rous" and with a picture that wasn't showing her face or with an entire different name, so that her real name just comes up in the shipping information for the buyer.
I had a look at her therapist. She did study Clinical Psychology, but so did I and I know, that this alone doesn't make me a therapist. I don't know how it exactly works in the US. But after studying Psychology one normally has to have years of specific training/an apprenticeship and/or have a PhD in Clinical Psychology. The therapist Kenna went to got her Master's and then went pretty much straight to Japan. Like, I can't super confidently speak for the US, but in Europe you are only allowed to do general counseling, that is specifically NOT therapy and you may supervise clients taking assessments and other tests, but with a master degree alone you are not allowed to diagnose or offer therapy. Maybe the US is less strict and so is Japan, but the woman Kenna went to seems wildly unexperienced and it really seems like Kenna only got an assessment, not a real diagnosis. Heck, my therapist, who is a specialist in adhd in adults with decades of experience was pretty sure I had adhd after our first consultation (but didn't tell me this of course until the final diagnosis to prevent possible bias), but we still did all required sessions and tests. I wonder if she went for counseling either because she was so unhappy and anxious with her stay in Japan or if she wanted some kind of diagnosis to aid her in language school/student visa or any other job or visa related thing. Something like "Oh, you have to lower the requirements for me, because I have X and here is a piece of paper from a professional to prove it". This could also explain why Kenna insisted first on being "level 2", because it requires assistent in daily life, proving that she might not be able to fulfill certain requirements for school/visa so she can get special treatment.
I think Ashley overall as a HUGE "not like others~" syndrome. See, she is not like other academics, because she has ~real life experience~ and is an influencer - a hip person, BUT on the other hand she is not like those other influencers, she has a degree! And influencer events are shallow anyways and the fashion world is elitist - but it's okay if she can collect a pay check. It feels like she is a toddler with a temper tantrum but with her perception of her own needs, desires and career choices. Ashley mentioned multiple times that she is a "rebellious" person, which I find a laughable statement considering how much of a people pleaser she is and how needy she is with and around guys. But according to her she is a rebel in her family's eyes, because she was doing an arts degree and not a stem degree, for choosing UCLA and not having an academic career. Among the influencer crowd she sees herself as a rebel because she has this impressive academic family background and her own academic achievements. Ashley wants to be like nothing like her parents, but she grew up with an emphasis on how important an academic career is and its norms and values. So she still longs for an academic career and feels superior because of academic accomplishments. It is kinda wild how Ashley is such an immensely insecure and self deprecating person, but at the same time harbours some kind of superiority complex and feels like she is totally not like other people and also way better than them. Therapy would be such a good thing for her, she could lear to normalise her perception of herself and others.
I think the whole lockdown situation and its restrictions could actually help to put out some creative fashion vids. Making some alterations or whole new pieces out of existing clothes. I think a fun idea and video could be that Ashley makes a piece of clothing from scratch and let's her viewers decide what she should make. She could put up some polls on her Insta stories and let them decide what piece of clothing, what color, what style, etc. and work something out with the results. By having polls she can give options she fells comfortable with, but it still would feel for her viewers like they decide the whole thing and she can order fabrics and any other material easily online, without leaving her apartment. That could actually be a nice project to engage with her audience, make a fun video and and keeping herself busy with a sewing project. But yeah, I think she will only post fashion related content if it is a sponsorship or her own clothes line (she already revealed that one is in the works since last year) and generally move away from fashion content. Maybe this is a tinfoil hat theory but I also feel like that Ashley did the thrifting and thrift flips in the beginning for herself to safe money, then blasted it on Youtube because it got a lot of views and was/is popular content from fashion youtubers and selling her thrifts made her some more moeny. But it is also very noticeable that Ashley wears mostly expensive outfits now since she makes big bucks and cheaper stuff she owns is either "old" stuff or PR gifts. So Ashley doesn't really got a reason to continue with thrifting clothes, she makes enough money to make her thrifted clothes shop obsolete and she will definitely not alter or experiment any of her expensive pieces.
I can see how she will make a video about it, even apologising if the selling PR gifts thing will go big, but I can also see how she will play victim, saying things like "needing the money" and "that she didn't know better". But the thing is, she's humble bragging about her accomplishments, her grades and her intelligence, saying she didn't knew better seems kinda off in that context. I can see that a couple extra hundred bucks for a cross country move is nice, BUT this move was a vanity project. She didn't had a certain job position or study program waiting for her in NYC, she just moved because she felt like it, so she can't really excuse it with "needing the money" because then she shouldn't have moved to NYC, let alone Manhattan. If she says she had to move due to her mental health...well, it is not like NYC/Manhattan where the only places in the world that could improve her mental health? I'm curious what she will eventually do or say about the whole thing if she ever gets cornered enough to actually address it.