Hi all, I paid the server bill for the month so the site can be archived, sorry for the mess, didn't realize there'd be such an uproar. The site's in read-only mode. Happy archiving. Here's a link to a user-made PULL discord server: https://discord.gg/vZFEm75
I agree with your first paragraph which was why I was really confused by the Sanders Kennedy video. There were a lot of incredibly gross comments towards children but I'm not familiar enough with the law to see what would or would not lead to an investigation. Re: your second paragraph. I think the fact that we have all encountered "Shanes" in our life, especially in middle school when people were shitty all around is a part of the problem. His gross humor only encouraged those kids and validated them. He was, and still is, one of the largest creators on the platform and kids flocked to him. I agree with your point about it being a societal issue and it unfortunately is more common than we'd like. And then re: the consequences, I see what you mean but most of Shane's career is online and the internet does control a lot of his revenue. They both will continue living extremely comfortably but the internet does have a lot of power here despite most people who don't frequent YouTube not knowing who they are and not caring. I think Shane more than Jeffree has more to worry about here since Jeffree has more business power if that makes sense. Shane has the palettes, YouTube views, and merch revenue (does he still do sponsorships? probably not anymore). When those go away, he's going to have to figure something else out.
I mean, I agree with one of the other commenters to a certain extent that it's not really fair to post an extremely close up photo since those make everyone's skin look bad but I don't think we've seen her look "natural" in ages and there's nothing on her IG like you said. I was hoping she'd join in the trend of everyone letting themselves breathe a bit during quarantine. The closest we've got was her just not dressed up but her hair and makeup was still done. I want to grab her by the shoulders and tell her to give it a rest!!!! It'll be fine!!!!
It really is an unfortunate addiction. It just starts out so innocent thinking "oh I'll just get a little lip filler" or "it's just a nonsurgical nose job, it's not much." There's probably some studies out there that go into how genuinely addictive this stuff is and how it's so hard to just stop after one procedure. I never know how much empathy I have for someone struggling with that. If you put aside all of her gross behaviour and just talk about her surgeries and procedures, do you feel bad for her? As a fellow woman with significant self-esteem issues, I do! I absolutely see the appeal in changing the way you look. But what about the standard she's (and other influential people on social media) setting for young girls who want to look like that? Some of the young girls think that it's natural and some of the older ones know that it's filler/surgery and now they want to get that, too! It all just adds to these insane beauty standards that are borderline impossible to reach naturally. Those were some rhetorical questions but they are somethings I think about a lot when I see people like Dove. I never know how to feel about it. Sorry I don't mean to go on a tangent. If anybody wants to chat plastic surgery and it's effects, hmu 😅 I always love having good discussions about that since it is a bit controversial.
No, you're good! I messed up here-- the wording of the intro made it seem to me that she was just talking about isolating with Thomas. It was Thomas that interviewed her. Good thing he has other work cause interviewing is not his thing 😅
Does anybody remember who was all in that friend group Bree was talking about in her post? I remember obviously her and Shane, then KatSketch, Steeve Greene, Shanna Malcolm, Pam (wasn't that his cousin?), there was also Olga Kay and Nadine but I'm not sure how close they both were with Shane. There was the director guy Michael Gallagher, his ex Lisa. I'm just trying to remember if any of that group are also still content creators and who specifically really stuck by his side.
The excuse "it was all just a bunch of jokes" is so dumb to me for a number of reasons, most of which have already been covered here but I'll add one more. Hypothetically speaking, say it really all was a bunch of jokes. Why would anybody want to be almost entirely known for stupid, "edgy" jokes? (in quotes because I don't think racism/paedophilia is simply just edgy) Apparently, at that time he wanted to be a serious director/comedian/actor, so why would you make almost the entirety of your content shock humor? Doesn't seem very professional to me or a great way to make it into Hollywood. Are you really so proud of the fact that the only people that are reallyyy into your content and find it funny are young teenagers? The other thing is, it's not exactly innovative or difficult to make insensitive jokes. Any one of us could easily make a joke right now that has to do with a sensitive topic or negative stereotypes. They are SO easy to make because we are all exposed to these horrible stereotypes from a young age, but we don't because we know it's wrong. I'm not going to applaud you as a creator if that's the only type of content you make. Most of Shane's old content is the same type of stuff you might hear in a middle school cafeteria. There's nothing special, nothing new, there's nothing worth defending there.
This reminds me of the Whitney Houston Kygo remix that came out last year and they called it a "collab" for some reason. Like, one of these individuals didn't consent to their voice/music being reused.... I don't know how other artists feel comfortable adding to someone else's work when the other person can't even give feedback on it. Maybe I'm being too sensitive but it's always so weird to me too