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I think somebody mentioned Paris Syndrome way earlier in the thread? I don't know if that counts, but there's a whole hotline in Paris for Japanese people who come there and get depressed when they find out Paris isn't as grand as they thought it would be. Other than that, I don't doubt this happens. I think it may be harder for us to find, however, because we speak English, and the people doing it may not. Crazy people everywhere. Edit: There are also several European Instagram influencers who have been pretending to be black or mixed black Americans (or just ignoring people assuming they were black) for years.
Ah, but you got to remember Coco’s his idol friend. AND she's full Korean. Two Koreaboo dreams in one! Not only is she able to "give him some tea" on the industry, but also her being a full Korean friend will always boost her in his eyes due to just existing as a Korean. I think he never thought the Kyla controversy would actually affect his career, especially since Kyla just seemed like a novelty act in a nugu group nobody cared about. Yet, Kyla's coming back with Pristin (or at least is still signed with Pledis) and Eddy's losing major opportunities for his for screw up, so maybe not? Plus, Coco's apparently getting sued, so maybe she told him to keep his mouth shut, and he listened for once.
Stuff like this is lowkey problematic. Asian guys already are perceived as "feminine" in the West, and these fetishizers are only making it worse. White girl squint her eyes and gets a bowl cut, and she's suddenly an Asian...guy? Make it sense. Especially since women get their hair cut like this over there too, and sometimes it's considered even more feminine (something about a girl looking good with short hair really bringing out her features - correct me if I’m wrong please). Not to mention, being butch, pre-transition, or just liking the hairstyle is okay. But pretending and cosplaying as a real dude? Just rubs me the wrong way.
To add onto that, those women get clowned, ostracized, and (rightfully) called out for their self-hate. These women have thousands of supporters still making excuses for them. If those tutorials exist, I'd like to see them.
Okay, I've been sitting on this for a day or two because I didn't quite know how to formulate how I feel. I still don't think I do, but I'm going to try to make this make sense. I don’t see a blackfish with her. Honestly, I look at her, and like Jella, I see a gyaru or a more western-influenced B-style girl. Based on the reactions by Koreans, I understand why it'd look like she was a blackfish, but I honestly feel like that comment on nietzans buzz comparing the situation to the mentioned actors (?) sums it up pretty well in that because she's that tan and likes being tan Koreans are going to assume she's mixed race. That being said, the whole "Sexy Tarzan" thing, using that NA headpiece as an accessory, and her lowkey fetishising of the "exotic" look is problematic and worthy of calling out. But other than that, I only see a generic IG Baddie. The people we're talking about on this page are significant because they have gone through a very obvious transformation to make themselves look black or racially ambiguous/mixed black. She doesn't. She looks Korean. Her darkening her photos and wearing too dark foundation even aligns with alternative fashion in Asia with regards to tan skin. From what I can observe, when someone embraces their tan skin over there, they take it to the next level and go about as dark as they can without getting cancer. For me it's like, what's the difference between her and Hyolyn then?
I look at her, and I don't see Truedy or that other K-rapper mentioned earlier in the thread. I see a tan Korean girl who likes that Western IG Baddie aesthetic. This, however, eludicates something that I feel needs to be addressed. Who's a regular IG Baddie and who's a blackfish? A lot of people seem to be getting this confused, so I'm going to lay out my personal criteria. If they can be confused as black or mixed-black, and they deliberately ignore and don't address it to benefit from it, then they're a blackfish. If they try to pass off an obviously fake tan that causes this confusion as natural as well as darken and edit they're photos (trying to achieve more mixed-black look) to play up the racial ambuguity, then they're a blackfish. If they speak online in only AAVE or slang in order to cater to their black audience while trying to keep up the ruse, then they're a blackfish. If they were offered brand deals because they look black, featured on pages dedicated to black women, or have tons of followers who think that they're black that they never correct, then they're a blackfish. If they're saying they're mixed with black or they're trying to play up some part of their ancestry before, during, or after their caught to lessen the criticism they've gotten, then they're a blackfish. Other than that, hairstyles, spray tans, fashion, ect. is usually just part of the IG Baddie aesthetic. What some of y'all have to realize is that the whole IG Baddie aesthetic is fashion trends copped from black women and culture. So a girl that looks like Gabi shouldn't sound the alarm. A girl like Emma or Alijca, however, should. They're in two different ball games. I hope that made sense. But do y'all get what I'm trying to say? Like I'm seeing a very specific transformation going on with blackfishers that is more than just tan skin and curly hair.
I'd add to this - these women aren't that cute as normal white girls, and they know it. But as faux-black girls, due to both colorism and featurism, they're considered above-average and they know this. They see how light skin and more "Caucasian" features are praised on black women, and they want a part of the bag. At least until they got caught.
I feel like people often use "Latina" or "Arab/Middle Eastern" as way to separate the negative association that comes with blackness. Like, it's just another way of othering to me - that subtle casual racism. It's not only a way of saying that black women are too ugly to be influential, but also it's a way of saying that it's okay to mimic and steal from other POC as well (even if those POC could very well also be black). Cardi B was used earlier, so I'm going to use Cardi B. There is no way in hell Cardi B would be labeled as "relatable" if she wasn't Latina. The behavior that Cardi B displays in public aka her persona is okay because Latinas are "fiery". Meanwhile, for black women, that same behavior is "ghetto" and aggressive. Say what you want about Nicki Minaj (and this is not about that Cardi "beef" - I do not care about that). Despite her songs and the persona she puts on in them, she stays on her best behavior in public because she knows if she assaulted someone on the red carpet like Cardi did to her, then she would be ripped to shreds publicly.
To add onto that, black women with blonde weave still look black. No one's ever going to look at a dark-skinned black woman with long blonde weave and think she's mixed or white. What these girls are doing is creepy skinwalking. Minstrelsy. People need to stop deflecting and acknowledge that.
You're only using this to derail the thread and take us further away from the point. If you really cared about Ethiopian workers being treated like slaves, you wouldn't be using them as a gotcha on a gossip website. Back to your original post, pale/blonde jokes are terrible and stereotypical, but you have to realize insults can and are often racialized, and that comes from a place of systematic racism. Big lips on Angelina Jolie, Kim Kardashian, ect. are praised, meanwhile black women are still demeaned for having this feature, and it has everything to do with race. That is all I'm going to say. Stop derailing, and focus on the topic at hand.
Yep. Racists will always find a way to defend the image of their fellow white women. To them, a white woman taking aesthetics and looks from black or brown women (AND taking it seriously) is an insult to whiteness itself. So they excuse it away as just them just getting spray tans or some other BS. Until they're able to fully steal that cultural element and claim it as their own, they're always going to find a way to excuse it. These girls also get the benefit of not only having racists excuse them tho - people of all races and ethnicities will defend a white girl when she cries (metaphorically or literally). The hair thing in particular infuriates me, because the people who bring it up don't really care about how black women wear their hair or the affect of white supremacist beauty standards - they're only using it as a metaphorical gotcha. In reality, many of these same people are usually the ones who get on black people who wear their hair in any fashion. If it's natural, then it's "unprofessional" and "men want a partner who they can run their hands through their hair and not get stuck". If it's braided or under a wig, then "you hate yourself. Why wear someone else's hair on your head? You wanna be white so bad!" If it's loc'd, then it's "dirty and ghetto". If it's dyed, then it's unnatural and you wanna get away from your blackness. The way that guy talked about weaves and bleaching lets me know he doesn't know s*** about black hair care nor why people bleach. Yeah... Scientific racism is a thing. That's mostly where that whole skull shape theory came from. In reality, if you put a Sudanese person, a South African, and a Black American in front of a racist who wants to murder, that whole "well the Sudanese one is technically Caucasian" notion will fly right out the window. It's also just a way of othering certain features to put a finite label on them and base these racist ideas around, aka "West African" and "South African" features being looked at as ugly because they're supposed to be "black features" while "North African" features are supposed to be the prettier ones on the basis of their Caucasian links, despite all features being present in every country and ethnic group in Africa (it's just that some features show up in more groups than others). Race is more culture and general (meaning it happens it happens in most cases, but it's not a rule) shared features than bones. Like, my sister has "Asian" features and bone structure, but she isn't Asian and we have no Asian ancestry in our family. Yet, if we were going by that skull shape and bone density BS, she'd be Asian, wouldn't she? So her trying to make that connection was not only sloppy, it only really proves the point of this thread. Just cause there are dark-skinned "Caucasians" doesn't mean that you weren't trying to look black, mixed black, or blackfishing. You clearly weren't trying to look Indian.
Exactly. The show is pretty obviously using him as a gimmick - there's no way they'd let a flamboyantly gay foreigner win or even make it that far in a competition like this. He seems like he's just genuinely enjoying the time he has there and seems like a nice kid. I don’t really understand where all this vitriol is coming from.
I think she’s pretty too, especially compared to some of the other people we've seen here. Still pretty plastic, but not so much that it's super freaky in pictures. I'm sure that might not translate well to real life tho.