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Don't remember if this has been posted already, but Kenya really laid out the issue perfectly. Fair warning, although - she drops the hard R multiple times, so if you're sensitive to that kind of thing this is your warning.
Footwear indicates sexuality? Also, yeah, I believe you can be queer and still queer bait. It's the suggestion of a relationship to appeal to a queer, or in this case, mostly straight but fetishising audience. So them being queer themselves doesn't really mean anything. Aoora's likely never going to come out because he's still trying to be an idol, and Eddy is only going to use him to keep reeling in views by using Aoora's "idol" status.
I was saying the bolded at first, but now I don't think so. I see more as the type to flirt on camera to get ahead, and Whitney probably wasn't feeling it as much at some point, especially since he introduced her to cuter Asian men to ogle (i.e. those Japanese models). Yeah, her thirsting is cringy but tbh with her it never seems to go further than that for her, imo, because she has no idea how to make things go further than that. There are unambiguous black women who have reciprocated romantic interactions in Korea. Whitney just doesn't seem to know how to make romance happen after fangirling from what she shows on camera. There have been interactions between her and other Asian men, believe it or not, where the flirting was mutual. I just get the vibe that she has super low self-esteem, so relationships are out of the question. Like you said, she was kind of begging for approval in that photoshoot /photoshop video, and I think that has everything to do with her confidence not being the best. I also don't personally get super, 1000% gay from Aoora mostly because the constant baiting he does with Eddy seems so forced and planned, like a business move. Of course, he could still be very much gay, but that's his business at the end of the day. As for the italicized, what makes you say that? Wasn't Aoora Whitney's friend first? Pretty sure I remember her saying they met because they go to the same church or something. I really don't get the vibe that he couldn't keep a black friend at all. I more get the vibe that they just stopped interacting naturally when he started working more seriously with Edward and moved in with him. Why do you assume that? Is there anything he's done to make you assume that, or is this just an opinion of yours? Genuinely curious.
Yep. Eddie, the guy from Under19, lives with Edward too I believe. But Edward seems to have the sense to keep that relationship mostly behind the scenes, whether it's because Eddie is underage or because Eddie's both not Asian and openly gay so he'd probably have to cater to fangirls who want to see him in a relationship with another openly gay person if he brought him on screen more often.
I only brought it up because honestly, the gay-baiting with Edward has never felt genuine. It always felt opportunistic and like a calculated business move. And I can't believe him cutting off Whitney had anything to do with her being a non-Asain or non-white foreigner, and more to do with things being just business. He lives and works with Edward. Edward's responsible for a decent portion of his audience for his vlogs and music. Edward writes the English titles for his videos. Yet Edward doesn't treat him well; in fact, I'd venture to say he treats Aoora and Big Marvel like they should be grateful to be associating with him because he obviously is the reason they have any success in the first place. I firmly believe that if Whitney offered that kind of opportunity to him too, he'd still be hanging off of her and trying to get in front of her camera in whatever way could be profitable. But Whitney had to have not been feeling him like that in order to be so easy for him to cut her off after he got involved with Eddy. Not trying to out the guy or say that he definitely is straight, gay, bi, or whatever. Nor do I feel like he has to out himself. It's just when I see vlog titles like this - - I don't feel like that's all his doing, and all just a business move by him and Edward to keep the international fangirls happy.
Is Aoora straight? I'm asking because I feel like there was never a definite answer here. A lot of people seem to have assumed he's gay, but I don't remember if it was ever confirmed or if it was just queer-baiting with Eddy for views. Also, I'm in the same boat of being introduced to Aoora and Eddy through Whitney. Wasn't Aoora Whitney's friend first as well? Random, but the vibe I got from Whitney and Aoora's interactions were also the using, clout-chasing (on Aoora's end) kind, but (and call me out if this sounds crazy) also...kind of unrequited crushing on Aoora's end too? However, Whitney seems completely clueless/childish when it comes to navigating any sort of romantic interactions outside of fangirling, so that likely made it easier to cut her off when he started working and living more seriously with Edward and co. I don’t think being a foreigner was ever going to be an issue for her (in regards to friendships) since she speaks Korean and has been living/working there long term. Aoora strikes me more as the type to cut off someone like Whitney because of the lack of opportunities she provides, not because she's a foreigner or there's a language barrier. I mean, he lives with Edward, and Edward doesn't speak Korean. Again, call me out if this sounds crazy/delusional.
Oh, honey... It's been stated many times already, so I'm not going to repeat what you can go back and read for yourself. All I'm going to say is that if people can call out fully black women bleaching/pretending to be mixed, fully white people pretending to be Asian, Asian people pretendin to be white or mixed, ect. then why not call these women out too? Nothing's different about what they're doing. Do you have the same gripes with the non-Asians pretending to be Asian thread too? Honest question here.
I personally think so. That Brazilian guy who got plastic surgery to "look like a Kpop star" was posted here, and a few East Asian non-Koreans were posted here too. White and black women have been posted here too, just not that often. I think any person with extreme PS or photoshop tendencies who are trying to fit Korean beauty standards specifically with a decent following fit in here. I think this mostly because right now there isn't really a place or a term that fits non-Korean Gangnam unnies/oppas, and with the rise in popularity of PS for foreigners in Korea (to the point where Koreans are claiming it's not Koreans who get plastic surgery that often, it's foreigners from SEA and abroad) unless a new term is created to describe them, where else would they fit? Besides, isn't "plastic monster" an alternative/more demeaning name for Gangnam Unnie? ThThat's just my opinion, tho.
An insider of the inferior American entertainment industry... Eddy can't use that. He's a clout chaser, and so far his best bet is his busking friend and Eddie (the guy who was on under19 who he lives with apparently) who actually draws some pretty decent crowds in Korea.
I think somebody mentioned Paris Syndrome way earlier in the thread? I don't know if that counts, but there's a whole hotline in Paris for Japanese people who come there and get depressed when they find out Paris isn't as grand as they thought it would be. Other than that, I don't doubt this happens. I think it may be harder for us to find, however, because we speak English, and the people doing it may not. Crazy people everywhere. Edit: There are also several European Instagram influencers who have been pretending to be black or mixed black Americans (or just ignoring people assuming they were black) for years.
Ah, but you got to remember Coco’s his idol friend. AND she's full Korean. Two Koreaboo dreams in one! Not only is she able to "give him some tea" on the industry, but also her being a full Korean friend will always boost her in his eyes due to just existing as a Korean. I think he never thought the Kyla controversy would actually affect his career, especially since Kyla just seemed like a novelty act in a nugu group nobody cared about. Yet, Kyla's coming back with Pristin (or at least is still signed with Pledis) and Eddy's losing major opportunities for his for screw up, so maybe not? Plus, Coco's apparently getting sued, so maybe she told him to keep his mouth shut, and he listened for once.
Stuff like this is lowkey problematic. Asian guys already are perceived as "feminine" in the West, and these fetishizers are only making it worse. White girl squint her eyes and gets a bowl cut, and she's suddenly an Asian...guy? Make it sense. Especially since women get their hair cut like this over there too, and sometimes it's considered even more feminine (something about a girl looking good with short hair really bringing out her features - correct me if I’m wrong please). Not to mention, being butch, pre-transition, or just liking the hairstyle is okay. But pretending and cosplaying as a real dude? Just rubs me the wrong way.
To add onto that, those women get clowned, ostracized, and (rightfully) called out for their self-hate. These women have thousands of supporters still making excuses for them. If those tutorials exist, I'd like to see them.