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Oh lord, I just caught up on the thread and a part of me had kinda believed that this whole Muslim thing wouldn't have lasted when I first heard of it. I had assumed she just said it to get attention or something and would give up within a couple of months. She's literally turned demented now.
"people with extreme conservative views, including extreme views about race, who reject ordinary politics and use the internet to spread their opinions. Alt-right is an abbreviation for "alternative right": Shapiro in my opinion doesn't fall into this definition of alt-right. His views don't contradict mainstream conservative views. I would say some of his views, for me, aren't agreeable but I can always see the reason why he thinks like that. Considering the amount of support he has in the public, he also doesn't fall in the category of extremists. "someone who has beliefs that most people think are unreasonable and unacceptable" (cant get ride of those links) I also don't understand how thinking Shapiro is not alt-right makes your claims about edgy jokes normalising racism true. (I'm sorry if I'm being annoying, it's just nice to see other peoples views)
That's pretty vague. The definition of the alt-right and far-right is also pretty vague to begin with as well. Where does one draw the line for extremism? It depends on the person. You may consider someone who i do not consider alt-right as alt-right and vice versa(what it seems to me is that you do not want him to associate with anyone who is right wing at all). I do however agree that PDP shouldn't associate with politics IN GENERAL(which he does do a good job at). Be it left or right. Whenever anyone does it, especially celebrities, it alienates a part of their audience. I personally don't think hes ever normalised any alt-right behaviour. We disagree but that's okay cause at the end of the day I hope you'll respect my opinions even if they differ from yours. I'm sure I've made it clear I don't agree with your opinions but I've made sure instead of down-voting you, I talked to you. You did give me an insight into another point of view even if I still don't agree with it. I hope I've done the same for you.
Then what do you suggest be done about this? First 2 articles hes apologised for and has admitted they were wrong. He has said his views have changed since then, if you did a little more research you would've seen him say this many times. https://www.dailywire.com/news/33362/so-heres-giant-list-all-dumb-stuff-ive-ever-done-ben-shapiro ^he includes those in the link above. The last article, discussed about the influx of Muslim immigrants, they did reference it to a disease but also made other points of the reasons why the article believed it. The article was mainly to highlight the reasons why to decrease the immigration of Muslims which is what I'm assuming Shapiro was stating.
To be honest, when I was younger I didn't like PewdiePie and thought he was trash, it wasn't until he changed his content that I saw a different side. I like the fact he doesn't censor his thoughts and views, in order to conform to the expected norms. I am passionate about it cause the only was out of this 'toxicity' would be for him to censor himself, which is absolutely the one thing that should be avoided. I can't personally say that I recall him calling muslim men a disease or him saying its fine to murder to afghan citizens. You said to google it but you seem to forget that the media in this time period are very biased and will jump at the chance to call anyone a racist, a nazi, a homphobe. They use these labels laxly so I really can't take them seriously and some articles even say that Shapiro condones antisemitism (very reliable, right?) But from my viewings of Ben Shapiro is a very logical man and doesn't just throw around statements, he provides statistics so I do doubt your claims. (I also did say in my original post that I don't agree with everything he says) I also don't understand how he's spreading conspiracy's.
Pewdiepie has, in my opinion, no fault in this. I read a bit of the guys manifesto and none of what he has said coincides with Pewdiepies beliefs or anything that he has said recently (I'm only a casual viewer so I can't be sure about that) Honestly, I didn't start liking his channel until he started his 'edgy' humour it was for me something refreshing. There's always gonna be someone fucked up in every large youtubers subscriber base, it's inevitable with 89 million. I personally don't think its toxic, even Pewdiepie has, in my opinion, no fault in this. I read a bit of the guys manifesto and none of what he has said coincides with Pewdiepies beliefs or anything that he has said recently (I'm only a casual viewer so I can't be sure about that) Honestly, I didn't start liking his channel until he started his 'edgy' humour it was for me something refreshing. There's always gonna be someone fucked up in every large youtubers subscriber base, it's inevitable with 89 million. Someone mentioned him associating with the 'alt-right' and 'Nazis' by talking to people like Ben Shapiro and Paul Joseph Watson. I'm shocked that people actually consider them that. Especially Ben Shapiro, I can't say that I agree with all of his viewpoints but they're all logical. He isn't out there purposely trying to cause hate and suffering, you can tell he genuinely cares about his topics. Obviously, the media has influenced a lot of view points. I think its good that people are being encouraged to view the other side of the argument instead of being fixated on one side. The shooter in his manifesto even said depending on the definition he could be considered left wing or right wing, he even goes on a whole rant about conservatism, being evil (which both Ben Shapiro and Paul Joseph Watson are)
If I remember correctly didn't she message her friend once at midnight claiming she was going to kill herself and her friend had to rush to her house to make sure she didn't. I guess she's just being a hypocrite as per usual. I don't think I'll ever understand what goes on in her mind.