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Again, not saying what she did was right. If Minty wanted to sue her or something for selling her nudes, then I'd support Minty. But then another question is how legal it was that Minty was selling nudes as well, was that taxed? Probably not. Might be the reason why Minty didn't want it to be a big deal either. If Belle was fined (probably not imprisoned? She was literally underage when the crime was committed) that would be fine by me and she deserves to pay for her actions. All that I'm saying is that reading too deep and saying that Belle is manipulating and scheming when she's probably just a not super smart girl defending herself (which I would too if someone treated me like that) is a stretch. And this is a drama orchestrated by someone else - someone who's just sticking their nose into something that smells of attention and drama. Unless Belle knew that and messaged her EXACTLY because she knew what would happen, this whole shitstorm has not currently been caused by Belle. She's not excused for her mistakes and I never said that, neither did anyone else here. I dunno where ya'll be getting this from - all I'm saying is that this drama is exaggerated by someone who clearly benefits from trying to sink Belle. I don't give a single shit about this girl but fair is fair and that's why I wanted to see Katarina's posts, only to find exactly what I expected. I still do not in any way think that this should have been a public matter. If I were Belle (and thank fuck I am not), I would have found out exactly who the girls on those pics where, I would find them, explain, and formally apologize. Offer them money, not to shut them up but because it should have been THEIR money in the first place. Apologizing doesn't make it okay, but people are acting like apologising and reflecting on past actions means nothing. I'm sorry if you disagree but this promotes a culture of hiding things and sweeping them under a rug because nothing, ever, is let go of, no past mistake, no place for improvement. I don't think this should be kept a SECRET, but I hate it when people just jump on hate bandwagons and take sides because it's, well, popular to hate on someone. It's just not something I support. And that's why I'm "supporting" Belle - not in her actions or behaviour but because I dislike the callout, "exposed, cancelled" culture. To clarify one last thing, I do not feel bad for Belle because she was found out and is now "paying" for it. I feel bad for her because someone is straight up using her (and possibly Minty, who might not have wanted this attention) for clout, and because that someone was shitting on her and everything she said through that entire conversation, changing tone a million times from "I understand and respect you" to "you are awful and horrible". Sorry, can't stand for that.
I won't go into essaying again but my personal opinion is that it's...not so deep. Don't think Belle is smart enough to manipulate imho, if she was she would have done so from the beginning and wouldn't be in this mess now. She did something shitty and she tried to explain it to a friend. Friend wasn't listening. That's about it. I think she gave up rather than tried to manipulate her, after Katarina simply wasn't listening. I don't care for her, but I also don't care for people trying to bring her down no matter what. It looks like a nasty mean girls fight and people bringing up things from years ago definitely usually have motivations other than "Omg guize you all deserve to know about this horrible person", acting like they are doing a favor to the general public while setting up the drama entirely for their own purposes lol
It just makes me want to defend Belle, whether it's right or wrong, because this doesn't seem to be a case between Belle and victims of her scam, but Katarina fishing for attention. I guess in THIS moment, Belle's best bet is to come clean after all, since now there is no info from her perspective. She's right, people who will hate her, will hate her anyway. But a bunch of people might also be able to forgive her and agree that she has learned. 2 years can be a lot of time for a change when you're a teenager. My opinion? If Belle did manipulate this whole thing to look slightly more innocent then I'm honestly impressed - that's some 300IQ plays right there. She'd have to be hella smart to predict what Katarina will do. And just a disclaimer, I don't think what Belle did was okay. At all. While I do think she WAS manipulated to a large degree (just look at how PUSHY the guy was and he keeps insisting she doesn't have to do anything), she still should have blocked him and backed off - she literally said "Dude this makes me uncomfortable" but her greed kept her interested in what he had to say. That's on her, entirely. She did fuck up, I just don't think it's Katarina's problem....or millions of people who are thirsty for tea for no other reason than boredom. The comments on Belle's photos are downright toxic, death threats and so on. I just don't think anyone deserves that. I hope she receives appropriate backlash and is then able to move on with her life, but we all know how things go on the internet....As I said, sometimes I feel like people on PULL are the only ones who actually feel happy when people better themselves (just look at the levels of hopeless optimism in Kenna thread, most of us still want her to improve herself, keep giving suggestions, keep complimenting her for small things that she ACTUALLY does right).
I am so going to get downvoted for this but.... Honestly, I think Belle is plenty guilty for a lot of things,and I am not a fan or supporter of her. But this? This is too far IMHO. That Katarina whatever person looks like a drama seeking snowflake herself (not that I'm surprised) and half of the convo she's just shitting on Belle. Not to WK but I'd get defensive too if someone I previously considered a friend treated me like this. And I also get Belle not wanting it to be public. Owning up to it doesn't mean making the entire world know about it. She, from what I can see, was actually trying to set things right and I get how scary it is to have a presence like that guy still...looming over you. I'm not saying she should be FORGIVEN, but I hate the damn "X iS CaNcElLeD!!!1!!1!!" culture. It's gross and makes people more likely to try and hide their past rather than admit it since nothing is ever let go of (honestly, that's why I love this forum. We are observers of the snowflakes who can see when people improve and change. Literally the only gossip-y place where I've seen this, ever. Most people here actually like seeing people grow). It also really rubs me the wrong way how this Katarina goes from like "I respect your decision" to "FUCK YOU I'm posting this everyone deserves to know!!!". I literally went from being super amused over Belle as a snowflake and wanting to see her fail, to becoming almost defensive of her because imo no one deserves this. She messaged a friend or acquaintance to try and set things right with those involved and got shut down (just look at how this person literally never replies to what Belle says, just changes topic) and even Belle doesn't deserve that. She was 17 and dumb and she admits her fault plenty enough from what I can see. She doesn't try to sugarcoat or make excuses - "I was lazy and unwilling to work" sounds bad but it's the truth and I can respect it. She's not trying to hide it. Maybe it's just because I know how it is to be manipulated and convinced that something is "not so bad", but I understand her to some degree. It's absolutely wrong and disgusting and she absolutely knew that from the beginning....She clearly snapped out of the illusion the moment someone she knew got involved (Minty's pics) and started to try and undo the damage and I don't think she should be punished for that. I don't see it as "she stopped cause she got caught" as much as ....she wanted to get out of it for a while. As I said, plenty of things wrong with Belle, but this is a mess for so many reasons and the "You have so many followers" miss Katarina looks....welll...... jealous. Of Belle. And she wants to make this a big deal to bring attention to herself.
Like what is this? This is a jealous dramatic girl trying to sink someone else. Who does she think she is? She betrayed someone's trust too, going directly against Belle's wishes. (For those too lazy to stalk, here's the text Katarina posted alongside with the screenshots, enjoy)
God, never thought there'd be a day when I'd defend BELLE DELPHINE out of all snowflakes but this is blown so ridiculously out of proportion by this chick...it's insane. I hope for a day where people can actually own up to their mistakes and pay a price that's proportionate to the crime. But the truth is, as with many other dramas online, people use someone else fucking up to give themselves some sort of justice points (an example that comes to mind is Holly Brown, another person I strongly dislike, and how by the end I was more annoyed with 32824389423 people "calling her out" on Youtube when in reality they just jumped on the bandwagon for the clout). I also don't think Belle should post this publicly? Would it resolve anything? I'm not a fortune teller but I don't think it would. 90% of her current followers didn't follow her then, so it really does not concern them. Being transparent with your fans is one thing but airing out your dirty laundry from years ago in front of a million people who have no idea what's going on just seems redundant to me. Not to mention that then someone would probably be like "Oh she fucked up but now she's seeking out pity from her followers"....I think Belle just can't win here.
Not my usual thread to comment on, but I had to reply to this.
First of all, if this is her job, then that's EXACTLY why people should and can criticize it. I mean, people pay for those works, and everyone, literally everyone knows she can do better than that. Especially her tutorials? Like there's a million Sakimi-chan clones trying to do what she does, not because they love it but because it makes money, and they learn how to draw from her, and it is simply wrong - wrong anatomy, weird shading, and so on. I see no reason why people can't comment on people being bad at art (or lazy, in Sakimi's case) if that's literally their job. If the commission I make is lazy and badly done, and people rip me apart for that, it is only fair. Especially with Sakimi, she's making a SHIT TON of money - enough money to sustain herself and take time and do better. She's not some poor little artist that needs to pump out art every 3 seconds to pay the rent. Also a large amount of criticism here in this thread is over: 1.) Her sexualizing underaged characters 2.) Her completely ignoring character's personality / canon proportions / face structure to make shitty generic blowup doll face blurry drawing (and, again, we all have seen she can do better) 3.) Her ignoring criticism even from people who actually like her and just want their old Sakimi back - she literally ignores her fans and their wishes. How is she drawing what people like? She's betraying her own fans and it will bite her in the ass when someone fresh and new can take over.
Of course, you can feel free to enjoy her art, and I'm sure you will, but it'd be cool if people didn't dismiss pages upon pages of perfectly valid comments with just "You guys are just pissy". Again, gossip forum. We talk about stuff that we don't like about people. If you want to encounter her fans, go to Deviantart. Sorry if this comment seems rude, it really isn't intended to be, but I feel very strongly about art and I've been around for a very long time too, seen Sakimi rise to fame and then lower her quality, knowing fully well her 17yo boy fans with momma's credit cards that support her on Patreon, won't care if Ahri's tiddy is kinda weird, lump, and if the proportions are entirely off. She doesn't care if she loses fans that supported her in 2010, 2014, whenever, as long as she makes hella cash from 9382012 D.Va's in random outfits. I do not have a problem with people making money off art (hell, I do that too?) but offering the best quality you can manage is your responsibility as an artist that gets PAID for art.
Can I just point out that this girl who claims to be too poor to take care of herself owns 1) an iPad, 2) Cinitq and 3) Nintendo switch lol....sell 2 out of the 3 and you can pay rent for 2 months in which time you could get another job. And I am really, really triggered by her cause the shit she says HIGH KEY reminds me of myself when I was like....16-17? I lived in an abusive family too and did some insanely dramatic shit to get out of it (ran to another country lol). Except, you know. I was 17. This girl is 24 for gods sake. I've been sick literally my entire life and begged people for money online too ("pls help I'll do art" - at least I did it..), and I'm also an artist, but the approach this chick has - "DON'T TALK TO ME YOU HAVE NO IDEA HOW I FEEL I'M ABSOLUTELY THE ONLY PERSON IN THIS POSITION" high key upsets me. Girl get a grip, you're too old for this. There's ALWAYS an option, always. But I think she just wouldn't be able to get a place or room / shared flat with people for cheap price (which is absolutely doable) cause she could never let go of her comfort. I really want to be sympathetic and feel bad for her, cause even if only half of this bitching is true then that's sad.... but I just cannot. Something about the way she writes stuff is so defensive and she's trying to free herself of any responsibility. Maybe she should, for starters, stop taking money before commissions are done but ask for it after instead, at least then she'd not get to be lazy and make people wait 6 months for her mediocre art. God she angers me.
This is about the 4th or 5th time the thread went towards "why you bash on her looks" and I am curious if people who try to argue even read the thread at all? NO ONE THINKS SHE'S UGLY. No one minds her being not-super-skinny, or her beak nose, or whatever. People comment on it because she STRAIGHT up lies about it, twists people's words and manipulates people into thinking she's a victim (I'm still not done being mad about the no-makeup uwu all girls are ugly without makeup drama!) so she receives extra attention and praise. She LIES like a bitch about how happy she is with herself when one single glance at her reveals her insecurities leaking out of every pore - and even that is not what people judge her for. If she said "yeah I'm insecure because a lot of attention is on my looks now" I feel like half of this forum would genuinely support her for it. But what she does is make others feel garbage with her photoshopping and lying and pretending it's all natural. She's a lie, her entire life is built on lies, and her looks are the most obvious lie of all. That's all.
If you @Tokimewsta are defending what is right, then maybe think about how many people she does wrong by lying, cheating and pretending she's someone that she's absolutely not. Do right by the insecure girls that she steps on just to achieve a bit of extra attention. Do right by those who believe her "A flower doesn't think about flowers around it, it just blooms" caption when the photo that it accompanied has her nose edited into oblivion. She sells her looks, she sells her personality, both are fake. She pretends to be good at games, that's fake too. Those are the things we criticize. Those deserve to be criticized. I imagine that if she was trying to sell, say, workout videos or advice (or whatever else), then people would look at that critically too. This is the nature of business, the thing you're offering is going to be judged and analysed by people. Not calling you a WK and I'm sure you're a nice person, but Poki isn't and she already has half of the internet defending her bullshit (still salty over Zeronis supporting her, and a million others that I admired), she doesn't need you to help her.
While I agree that the idea is probably not entirely original, Poki did it a very suspiciously short time after IMHO I don't think people in this thread think the other girl was entirely original, but afaik (could be wrong) the runescape girl was the first to stream the transformation? As in, using it not as a tutorial or anything but content on its own. I think it's fair to assume poki DID get the idea from her stream Not to mention, while I don't know the other girl, I don't think her reaction was too dramatic. She didn't drag Pokimane for it and didn't proceed to whine to get extra attention for it
I saw a lot of people wondering what she intends to do after, even if she manages to last a whole year there, and I have 2 guesses:
1.) She's hoping to land a modelling contract or something, and then become another jvlogger cause she's so uwu unique 2.) She's gonna go back and be even more intolerable because "Omg guys how dare you question me don't you know I lived in Japan " and proceed to do nothing useful,complain how Japan was so much better and how all the people in the US are terrible. But honestly I'm pretty sure she's gonna try and stay there, especially seeing how people moving out of their Very Special Asian Countries They Vlog About And Totally Don't Fetishize The Culture Of, tends to make people lose subs/followers pretty easily. Good luck to her, maybe she can actually grow up and mature. Being nearly alone in a country you don't speak the language of can be and often is a wake up call to people, not that I'm too hopeful about it for her
I am speechless. An orchestrated drama followed up by her being treated like the new coming of Jesus. I don't know why I still get surprised by the bullshit this girl gets away with. I am legitimately in awe with either her management or her own manipulation skills, whichever it is that keeps saving her average ass from oblivion.
P.S.: So, so so disappointed in Zeronis right now (guess I'll go change my profile pic...? lol ). Not sure if he didn't really follow the "drama" or if he just like hopping on bandwagons, but I'm hoping it's the former. I guess it's easy enough to see her as "very brave" after "all the hate" she received but still... what exactly did she prove besides the fact she can blatantly lie to her fans by still editing and wearing makeup while presenting herself as vulnerable and real? This girl is a fucking mastermind.
I am no genetics expert but I also know it's very much possible. It's rare, yeah, but I know a family with (full!) asian mother and three kids, none of which look even remote asian. They are all blond and blue-eyed, with literally zero signs of their heritage. I believe Zell if he/she/they say they are half asian, but I still don't approve of their behaviour. And I think it's weird they didn't have any actual recent photos with their mom, either.
I remember randomly stumbling upon her instagram and immediately leaving. She's pretty but. 1.) "no u do not need to comment on my smol boobs please refrain yourself or leave thank u BOI 🤠" < her actual caption, maybe it's just me but wow it's...really, really attention seeking 2.) She posts art with absolutely zero credit, and gets thousands of likes (she credits some, but if she doesn't know the artist for others and can't find them, then maybe just don't post it. 3.) I can't seem to find it now, but I thought she had a selfie with some self deprecating caption? Maybe she deleted it, or I'm remembering wrong (sorry in that case) . Either way, I seem to remember it being very "I know I'm not pretty" type of thing. So that was my opinion. Feels like she's trying too hard to be one of the "popular League girls" and I wish she posted non-selfie cosplay photos. Never been to any of her streams or anything.
Wow how did this thread get so heated? It's a fact she photoshops and pretends she's someone she's not. It doesn't matter what she does (even if instead of photoshopping chub away she was adding curves, that would still be a problem), the fact is she's lying about her appearance. I don't see why people ended up getting into an argument about her being fat or not, but I think that most of us her would be extremely accepting if she just embraced her actual natural looks and stopped pretending she's a perfect anime waifu. I also think she'd end up attracting a different, probably better kind of audience, but I guess I'm asking for too much lol If she's an influencer (lol), then imagine what kind of influence she has on her followers by posting her photoshopped, back-breaking-sucking-stomach-in photos of her looking thin and saying "I gained weight". Girl, preach self love when you learn how to do it yourself.