Summary:
Xiao made a support video for VA, who got it taken down because she felt like Xiao was being a "fame sucker".
Later on, Marg attacked her on Twitter and even leaked her phone number...

... But of course, Margaret and Venus still presented themselves as the real victims

A Few screenshots from Xiao:

2. Kimonotime drama:

http://kimonotime.tumblr.com/post/20910 ... ys-one-big
Pretty much the same thing all over again. Kimonotime is a fame sucker because she tried to take a pic with her at a convention, and she's copying Venus because she's cute, dancing and interested in japan, and we all know that Venus invented cuteness, dancing and being interested in foreign cultures. To me, the most shocking thing is that Margaret actually made fun of Kelsey's glass eye on her blog.

Go find a job first. Even people without legs work. You just miss one eye, you will find a job if you want.

3. Anastasiya drama:

Both girls met each other in poland where they appeared at a talkshow, and they also got the chance to make some videos together. Venus uploaded 2 videos to her channel: One with both girls just messing around, and one where they're trying to do the gangnam style dance. Anastasiya repeatedly asked Venus to take both videos down because she "didn't like the way she looked", but the latter refused. At one point Nastya even had to flag her own video...
(Sorry, I don't have any screenshots anymore. If anybody else is able to provide them: Thank you)
... But it was back up again shortly after. Ana then made another public plea via Youtube comment - causing a mini-shitstorm - and Venus finally gave in

Venus also uploaded a picture of both of them where Venus looked pretty but Ana was squinting. Of course she also refused to take that down.

Literally months later, Margaret posted this rant...

I am very touched by the fact, how twisted some people are and where their way goes. E.g. I met Anastasiya Shpagina in Poland. Valeria Lukyanova was invited too, but Anastasiya said, if Valerya comes, she will not come to the show. Remember, that Anastasiya became well-known only because she became friends with Valerya. However, Anastasiya was treatening Venus by email after meeting each other, because Anastasiya felt she is not pretty enough beside Venus.
Anyway, she even contacted bullies of Venus, to add fuel to the fire. "Xiao is rich" username girl, who would never remove her cyberbulling video about us, even after I contacted the police. Even after everyone knows, that all my usernames are my real names. And that she only put her video up exactly 3 days after Venus went viral. And i have nothing better to do, than writing her childish tweets after getting up? Trollface. Anyway, she will not remove her bullying video. But writes about how Venus does not remove the video about Anastasiya (which Venus removed even if they recorded it with the consent of Anastasiya)
Anyway.
The other thing I find very funny and reminds me, how "God does not beat one with a stick" is, that Venus liked Beckii a lot and they planned a dance together at the end of 2011-beginning 2012. Beckii fooled Venus by delaying to record the dance together 6 months long. Beckii never wanted to record a dance with Venus but did not say it, just fooled her around.
Then Venus went viral and Beckii's father and manager, a police man for internet security was immediately creating and leading a bully campaign against me and Venus involving as many dancing girls and "friends" as possible, including "Xiao is rich". But did it help the mean people, to be mean? I don't think so.

Why I did write this "mini-runt" is, because e.g. I was careful with Bodyline, as I heard weird things which scared me. But Mr Yan kept being successful, while his few bullies faded away from success ... he is kind, not throwing dirt at you.

I learnt something: diligent, talented and pure hearted people will achieve great things, inspire others and help to live in a colourful world.
Then, there will be mean, greedy persons who think only about themselves. And their "friends" are same, thinking about themselves. So the whole egoistic and lazy bunch is sitting in the same bog, throwing it around. This is something no one can avoid. But finally it doesn't really matter.

God does not beat one with a stick. It is just the dirt you threw at me, falling back down on your own head.

...on her Facebook page, accusing Anastasiya of threatening Venus.

Her only proof? This:

4. Attempted scams:

1. "Venus Angelic Boutique"

All the items she was planning to offer were blatant overpriced resells from this shop:
http://www.amandacoleman.co.uk/shop_by_collection.php
... and she never mentioned this seller at all. Sure, this never became a thing, but I think it deserves to be called an attempted scam.

2. German private school scam.
http://www.indiegogo.com/projects/venus ... -to-school

3. Kickstarter/Album scam.
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/ve ... d-art-book
Asking for money to record some songs, but never provided a sample of herself singing.

4. Stealing from SassyNPunk:
http://abi-pop.tumblr.com/post/22871103 ... sive-drama

5. "Inspiring people to be themselves"
"I dress like a doll all the time"

Translation:
Q: Your style is slowly changing, isn't it? Your new shirt that says "Geek" (or something like that) looks a bit different. Pretty anyways!
A: I wouldn't really say that my style is changing! A doll can wear whatever she wants to and she will still look dolly!

Whenever somebody asks her why she dresses like a doll, she's always going to respond that it's because of her doll-like face. She is "the doll" because she is beautiful, however in interviews and documentaries, she's always claiming that she inspires people to be themselves, which is quite contradictory. If you believe that it's a person's facial beauty that makes you a "living doll", you don't encourage people to try out the "dolly" style, you do the opposite.

6. Faked Bodyline contest entry for "My Strange Addiction"
& Fan manipulation to look popular on cam
(not really that important but whatever)

Well, she never mentioned the presence of cameras AT ALL

I would like to announce a MEET & GREET with ME!

Event details are here --->
"3-5pm on Sunday, 08. September 2013. in Covent Garden, London WC2H 9LD in the ARTBOX Shop!"

See you there Fangelics!!

Trying to sound like she cares about her fans, when actually she just wanted to look "famous"

7. Bra shaming

8. Fat shaming

Venus' contest entry for Joma: Stretching herself for "entertainment purposes" and suggesting that you "have a laugh" because fat people are hilarious.

"But Selenite, she only did it because it would look sooo funny if she had super long arms while dancing! She's not meant to represent a fat person!" you say? OH RLY? This is how she advertised her video on her Twitter, clearly calling her distorted self a "fatty".

Some negative reactions she got so far. If course she didn't feel the need to apologize or set the record straight. Screw these people, it's their fault for being oversensitive and not ~getting~ her.

9. Inappropriate videos and tags

And then there are some nitpicky details such as faking her voice pitch, pretending to be innocent while doing suggestive things and stealing ideas while accusing others of being copycats, but these things are pretty tame compared to the other things that have been listed here, so I'm not going to go into detail.

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Seemed like no one had made it yet... so...

...how's about that Venus, hey? And the flytrap that spawned her too?

Talk about stalkery.

Timeline of events (going off memory, let me know if wrong or something is missing)

2011 - Manaki met Venus in Disney land

2015 - Manaki and Venus are dating

2016 - Manaki and Venus are married

2016 - Venus escapes her mother and lives with Manaki

2017 - Venus had a problem with the weight loss surgery and was in the hospital

2018 - All Manaki videos are deleted

2019 - Venus is acting flirtatious with girls and announces she's bi

2019 - Venus claims that Manaki was abusive

What's next?

Original post (2016, kept for archival purposes)

In light of the recent drama I thought it would be nice to have a thread discussing him.

This is his twitter :

https://mobile.twitter.com/manana_91

Drama Recap (with images)

So in early 2015 Venus said she was dating Manaki.

Then they "broke up" started saying bad things about him.

Plot twist they kept dating in secret and got married.

But there was a mistake in the papers, hence no longer married

And so he disappeared

Skip a few months

Now this happened...

I can't find the screencap, but they also accused him of hacking her instagram, posting the picture.

(sorry if it is too random)

If you look into her comment section, you are sure to find pure gold.

I've read that she scammed people online

I have seen some of the pictures she posted online and they are quite revealing.

Pretty sure they would not be allowed here so just google her name.

What do you guys / girls think her relationship with Venus is? They might be more than friends teehee

Her latest video she disclosed her decision to stay at a friend’s house while she works through some emotional issues. Nothing wrong with that in theory, but her friends seem like an echo-chamber for her emotionally driven choices. There’s some awkward conversational competition while they each wait impatiently to speak, and her friend stares creepily at her.

Additionally, she uploaded a video called “I Don’t Want to Die” where she talks about being put on depression medication. I’m sure many of us can relate to this struggle, but I don’t think we would have made a video about it while cradling a stuffed animal in low lighting.

Venus has been the least offensive to me of all the characters on PULL, but the topics of her videos lately have been (more) odd and (more) dramatic.. I recognize she’s going through A LOT. Especially for someone with her emotional maturity. I do think she’s more intelligent than she lets on, but her choices don’t really reflect that. At times, I’ve felt she’s more candid than other girls who emulate Shimmering Fetus Aliens. But her recent videos seem falsely forthright. How much can we know I suppose from picturesque, staged snapshots of her life.

Share the pictures you like, the ones you hate. From a "dolly angel" to a baby alien !

Here are the ones I wanted to share with you guys. Any thoughts ? You can notice her style and make up changed quite a lot through the years. It's obvious she enlarges her eyes in some pictures and on the most recent, well... It doesn't even look like her I don't know what to say...

I think we can share Margo's pics as well...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sG7DYXH3a64

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jcuIZV67Tmk

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uX9HS01rDRk

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ITedOAeoiQc

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mMRvhn83mKc

If you have any more feel free to add them

Interesting she tagged her mother on her twitter bio.

She retweeted this.

so her angelic nights or her mom could come and defend her.

The convo between the users if anyone is interested to read

It's funny as well how she retweets people who complement her mostly of old men watching her on the big screen lol

As her shop has been discussed before, and the topic of Venus' dorky phrases was a good idea although it morphed into a different topic.

So I created a separate thread to discuss Venus' characters, phrases, merchandise and marketing.

Presumably this photo would have been a part of the launch if she didn't run into more trouble with her channel being taken down:

Below are some questions that could make a great starting point for discussion:

What do you think of Venus' tactic to launch her brand?

What could she have done to improve her launch?

What do you think of Venus' current merchandise line?

Have you purchased anything from her line? Why or why not?

If you have purchased an item what do you think of the quality of the item or the design in person?

Do you wish she created anything with her characters or different catchphrases? (Peanut related merchandise, more quotable phrases, etc)

Do you think this will be a longstanding brand or something that will die out quickly?

Do you think she will relaunch her brand, or make another video about it?

I looked back at her old videos and I found a couple of products that she uses quite often(and some for a really long time)

Most of it could be seen in her 'boyfriend does my make up tag' video

She uses this palette(below) a lot. I've seen it so many times omg.

this is from cute dolly daily make up or smth

She has two of these palettes

Then there's this cheap eye shadow palette. How do I know that its cheap? causei have it too lol
its on taobao like legit 5 dollars https://item.taobao.com/item.htm?id=44339344942&ali_refid=a3_430008_1006:1105115634:N:眼影:d5edbd2ff5c6397e3713c21ea7d7cb17&ali_trackid=1_d5edbd2ff5c6397e3713c21ea7d7cb17&spm=a230r.1.0.0.bCVrzx

she even decorated it lol

She also uses the same mascara as Dakota lol

this is from her autumn make up video

and this is from her everyday make up routine i think

other random things

Well I'm new to this forum, but I took the time to read in blogs the problem mother and daughter (venus and margaret). Study a little law and psychology (just a little bit).
I also warn that I am not a supporter of any of the two women in question,
Margaret or venus.
BE RESPECTFUL.

But since the majority or.... if we say the majority, the people are in the venus team.
The support on the mistreatment, the injustice the psychological damage etc that his mother has left him.

I have some doubts about this drama that have no solution.

Here are some real facts.

-the channel of Venus was created in conjunction with his mother. (That's a fact, and both should receive money from the channel both Venus and his mother)

-his mother is very overprotective (fact)

-venus is victimized with the situation (fact can be seen in instagram post related to that)

- her mother wrote demeaning things to her daughter in instagram and twitter. (it is a fact)

-manaki is the husband of venus (that's a fact and she says that by tenderness she says boyfriend wtf !!! ?? it really is very rare)

-venus is a 20-year-old woman with a small-girl mindset. (It's a fact she dresses like a little girl and thinks that she and manaki are anime characters)

-margaret knew he would lose money if Venus left because that's why I tried to prevent her from escaping with manaki (it's a fact, that's why she did the things she did for overprotection, but think as a mother if your daughter would do that to leave with a man that only Know ... you would not try to avoid it ... but of course it's Margaret and she's crazy, so you have to attack her fatally ....)

-If I look at Venus for the first time I will see that it is beautiful, I would not doubt that she is lying to me at all, I would think she is very innocent and a white dove.

Already talk about facts ...
My questions are in relation of venus (things that call my attention)

- if I was harassing her, (to venus) because I did not call the police to raise charges about her and her harassment? (So they would have arrested her)

"Why did Venus run away from home if he was not doing anything wrong?" (The people who run away is because they do something bad, when you break a glass and if your mother finds out you hide or run if you were challenged.this is my logic)

-If margaret helped create the channel, I bought video camera, lighting, clothing for venus, was her manager and created events for the fans to know.
Why venus insists that margaret does not cover money?

-Why did venus quickly get married to manaki to get a visa? (This was planned by manaki and venus hidden from margaret)

-Why does not Venus seek a normal job or an agency? (She is already an adult can look for a job as Taylor or Sharla or many women in the world)

-because venus goes to instagram publications and says I'm sad, lonely?
(Hey! Wait! It is supposed that in your youtube videos you say that you are married and happy ... venus what do you mean by that? Manaki does not make you happy?)

"Why does not Venus have friends?" (Still ... if she's been married for 1 year and in japan ... you'll tell her mother here and there, when she's a person who can socialize with people, does not it make them strange?)

-

The last thing I remember I'm not anywhere I'm very objective about it, I do not know Margaret Palermo, I do not know what she's like in her private life, I do not think so either.
I do not know Venus, I do not know if she has sex with manaki, (haha lol) or she does not, or if Margaret really hit her like she says, or suicide. etc.

What I did realize is that Venus thought that living with Manaki was going to change everything (like the animes) but he has realized that he has to be a wife, cook, wash the toilet, iron, create and edit His videos (which is a lot of work).
But I think by reviewing the instagram and youtube of venus .. it is my opinion, I do not know you girls she misses her mother (the woman who made her everything), now realizes that adult life is difficult.
I hope she can find the peace she needs and that she finds herself as a woman. (Her own personality)
That finds its personality. (Maybe in the future will be together again who knows ... that will tell fate ... I could be angry with my mother, but inside would not stop loving her even though years pass)
That she ceases to be the living doll ... that no longer sells. (Time passes and we age)

Goodbye and sorry to extend this post !!
Kisses to all! I'm new do not kill me! Ahahha I would appreciate your answers below

**DISCLAIMER** I do not know even a quarter of the things you guys know about all this as I am fresh to this site and newly into what is going on- Any input is valuable and will be taken with an open mind. I encourage conversation and comments. Much love xoxo

SORRY THE VIDEO HAS BEEN REMOVED as I was not aware of how things work. My B. Just joined yesterday (literally)

Also to the person in the comments, Lol it was a video on how they should solve their differences and contained nothing of the sort. But haters gonna hate yah feel? I dont get angry over such small things. I have much patience. I would reply to you directly but I cannot as I have been banned from making comments. xoxo

I've been following most of Venus' activity and read a lot on here but didn't really find any posts that could answer my question.
I hope it's okay to open this thread - if inappropriate I'm genuinely sorry. I watched most of these "The Truth Behind Venus"- Videos and was kinda confused. Yes, I read that "Margaret Defenders" can basically f*ck off - and I totally understand if people on here are on Venus' side for whatever reasons - as I personally really enjoyed her videos and like her as an online persona. But lately I'm a little confused on her recent behaviour in videos / on instagram.

So my question is: Does Venus have weird phases or is she just trying to be funny and dorky? (you know, the good and funny dorky)

Like... what is she intending when posting pictures like that? She's either not taking herself serious which would get her some sympathy points or...?
Also her latest videos seem to be a bit too crazy for Venus... The Pikachu one (?)

Also... "My Spit" ... ? Umm... What?

Spouses and Dependents

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Foreigners, who are residing in Japan but are not permanent residents, can apply for a dependent visa for their spouse and children. Residence permission is granted in periods of between 3 months and 5 years and is extendable. Dependents are not allowed to engage in any paid activities, unless they get permission from the immigration office. Even then, dependents may work only a set maximum number of hours per week.

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• Spouse of Japanese national visa if your spouse is a Japanese national
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